Posted on 03/23/2005 3:32:49 PM PST by jb6
Kosovar means nothing in English. In Albanian language means "Kosovoan/Kosovan". Last time I checked Albanian language was not an official language in U.S.A. and there is no reason why albanian word should be used in official U.S. documents when English word exist. Americans do not call Albania Shqipnia (Albania in Albania, there is no valid reason why Albanian word "kosovar" is used enstead of English. You do not say "Kosovac" and "Kosovski Albanians" in English text.
The logic behind pushing 'kosovar' is creation of fake impression that Kosovo is country inhabited by "kosovar" people.
"Kosovar" is used to describe ALL inhabitants of Kosovo but ONLY Albanians call themselves this way. It as if all inhabitants of California were called Mexicans. When American media or Administration says "kosovars" it is CONDONING of RACISM and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and direct support to terrorist aims. (it means "kosova for kosovars" ie. "Kosovo for Albanians")
It would be interesting to track down when this 'kosovar' ploy entered into U.S. usage. I guess it has to do something with Bob Dole's and Dioguardi's shilling for Albanian heroin cartel and their sham resolution for 'free kosova' back in the 1980s when Albanian communists were in power in Kosovo and harrased Serbs.
Futher, many of the ethnic Albanians were killed by the KLA who murdered those who differed politically (loyal to Yugoslavia or not Serb haters, for example) and rivals. There were also many Roma (Gypsies) killed by Albanians yet put on lists by Albanians as Albanians killed by Serbs. The Roma of Kosovo often had Albanian names.
Wraith was a British soldier in Pristina after the war and says the KLA had a policy of liquidating witnesses.
Several of the KLA leadership, have been in the last year or so, accused (and some convicted) of kidnapping and killing fellow Albanians - including the recent Prime Minister of Kosovo Ramush Haradinaj. He just went to the Hague where he is accused of killing both Albanians and Serbs before, during and after the war.
Also, the ethnic violence was begun by the KLA who started to kill Serb police. Before the KLA, ethnic murders perpetrated by Serbs on Albanians were next to nothing, if not nothing at all.
The KLA did kill Serb civilians too and not just police. They threw handgrenades into a cafe killing around 7 Serb teenagers a few months before NATO decided to help them win Kosovo all for themselves. NBA basketball player Vlade Divac adopted a 4-month-old girl in February 1999, before NATO strikes. Her parents had been killed by the KLA when they were on their way to the market. But you don't hear that reported in the news.
That is what I remember. The rest became sort of fuzzy because so many groups were killing others and the players seemed to change daily. I also recall the comments that these groups had fought among themselves throughout history but then heard that they had peacefully coexisted for recent years until these "terrorists" provoked the Serbs. The Serb reaction to me seemed reasonable, not unlike what Israel, Russia, and even the U.S. are doing.
That is why, after the fact, I came to believe that Bill Clinton played this to his advantage, first by a media buildup about Serb genocide on the Muslims, mass graves, etc., to pave the way for intervention to protect and save the Muslims. His my opinion of his motives I stated earlier.
Thanks for your historical perspective.
As an American and as a career military officer, I cannot allow this to pass. It is a lie and an insult to every brave and honorable American soldier to compare what we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq to what the Serbs did in Kosovo. When the American Army starts lining up civilians by the dozen and shooting them, when it uses its vehicles to carry off the loot from robbing the homes of the local people, when it drives the majority of the populace from their homes to live in refugee camps, when it starts raping the women, burning the houses, slaughtering the livestock, dynamiting the mosques, and bulldozing villages to the ground--then start comparing the US Army with the Serbs.
Sorry, that was certainly not a comparison I intended to make. My intent was to say that they were reacting to the barbarity of the terrorist. However, the USA, and no one else, seems to be doing it in an honorable way. Russia, et al. are fighting barbarity with barbarity.
No one surpasses my respect for the US military and I am sorry I did not comunicate better. What you object to was simply not something I would even think.
Mark, Serbia and America were allies in two world wars and during The Cold war. Let's make some comparrisons among the former and future allies:
As an officer and gentleman, you must be familiar with this report
There is another village, in another timezone and 31 years later, called VOKERIT (WALKER'S VILLAGE) where events have uncanny resemblance to the ones described in the report above. I can say that the conduct was similar.
Perhaps because the war is hell, especially when terrorists and insurgents use civilians as a cover and use civilan garb to hide themselves. In both cases, reason for action was murder of fellow soldier.
There were some difference. The number of weapons found in SON MY was 2. The number of weapons found in VOKERIT was much higher. During operation in VOKERIT there were no orders like ones in SON MY.
I have deliberately used the names SON MY instead of better known MY LAI and VOKERIT instead of RACAK to help you avoid kneejerk raction.
As an career American Officer you have to be a gentleman. It is not easy but it is what is required and expected.
"There are certain moral attributes common to the ideal officer and the perfect gentleman, a lack of which is indicated by acts of dishonesty, unfair dealing, indecency, indecorum, lawlessness, injustice, or cruelty. Not everyone is or can be expected to meet unrealistically high moral standards, but there is a limit of tolerance based on customs of the service and military necessity below which the personal standards of an officer, cadet, or midshipman cannot fall without seriously compromising the person’s standing as an officer, cadet, or midshipman or the person’s character as a gentleman. This article prohibits conduct by a commissioned officer, cadet or midshipman which, taking all the circumstances into consideration, is thus compromising. This article includes acts made punishable by any other article, provided these acts amount to conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. Thus, a commissioned officer who steals property violates both this article and Article 121. Whenever the offense charged is the same as a specific offense set forth in this Manual, the elements of proof are the same as those set forth in the paragraph which treats that specific offense, with the additional requirement that the act or omission constitutes conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman."
Let me remind what is considered ungentlemanly conduct: ...knowingly making a false official statement;...cheating on an exam; ...using insulting or defamatory language to another officer in that officer’s presence or about that officer to other military persons; ...public association with known prostitutes;
Gentlemanly conduct is to say "I am sorry, I made a mistake" when one makes public mistake and embarrass Corps by his ungentlemanly conduct.
What will you do?
Your village called, the idiot is missing.......
Please tell them I am doing fine here on FR. :-)
Actually the A.N.S.W.E.R kooks were against the bombing. A blind squirrel found a nut.
Ok Wraith, BS Meter's on and calibrated.
Tell us about it.
As for explaining myself I have and you have chosen to keep your head submerged in that same bucket of crap that has been fed to you. Now boo boo all you are is entertainment so get used to it.....
We have heard of unintended consequences. Well, these were intended consequences. The Clintons have always favored the Muslims against the U.S. but for different reasons. Hillary's are ideological and Bill's are personal.
Yet your substandard efforts in the insult department only point to your being nothing more than an internet commando - and not a very mature or linguistically skilled one at that.
C'mon - you once told me you were almost sent to a REFORGER back in the late '70's. I thought it strange at the time that you subsequently asked me if I had ever played "Crimson Skies". (What's a 40 year old dude doing playing kid's games?)
But changing the paradigm from you being legit to just some punk kid looking to glom on to some cred by claiming imaginary military service makes a damn sight more sense, especially since you persist in basing a good portion of your insult repertoire upon the notion that I'm older than you.
I think I am older than you, Wraith, and that has some damning implications as to your veracity.
So I ask you again: tell me about your military service.
Why don't you tell us about yours?
Now then, since I'm not basing my relevancy to this thread's conversation upon my service, perhaps you'd be objective enough to go ask wraith about his service.
Thanks.
In fact the link you provided is to a transcript of the Peers report detailing what happened at My Lai--a U.S. Army document prepared by Lieutenant General Peers who was directed to investigate the massacre by the Chief of Staff of the Army. That the Army appointed one of its highest ranking members to conduct an investigation and he produced the very candid report you referenced that was highly critical of members of the Army up through general officer level shows how seriously the U.S. Army regarded the situation. Perhaps you could point me to the Serb equivalent for any part of the much more extensive depredations in Kosovo?
Further, the Army took action. The platoon leader and company commander were court-martialed with the platoon leader convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. The company commander was tried for murder and found not guilty--the prosecution over-reached with murder--if he'd been tried for dereliction of duty, he'd have been found guilty and put away for a long time. The battalion commander was saved from disgrace & court martial as he was killed in Viet Nam. The Division Commander-who's offense was insufficient vigor in investigating the crime--was later relieved of command, demoted two ranks, and forced out of the Army.
I have never met another Army officer who agreed with President Nixon's decision to parole the platoon leader and cease work on the remaining prosecutions. If it was up to the U.S. Army, Lieutenant Calley would still be in prison along with several of his cohorts.
Now, DTA, what's the Serb excuse? You've got thousands of Albanian bodies--to include close to a thousand hidden on Serb special police training area near Belgrade where they were re-buried after being dug up from massacre sites in Kosovo and trucked away to Serbia. When is some good and honest senior leader from Serbia--whether it be from the Army or civil life--going to step forward and lay out the truth and at least try to force some accountability for all the crimes?
Wraith, have you "met" Nennsy? Nennsy lives in Kosovo in a village/city where there's only a few Serbs left, and will not say her exact location in case there are Albanians reading. Nennsy is the only Kosovo Serb living in Kosovo that I know of who posts on the internet.
He was also "too busy" ignoring a real genocide in Rwanda.
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