Posted on 03/28/2005 11:53:04 AM PST by 1stFreedom
In your post on a previous thread you inquired as to where on 44th St. I have been debating whether to go or not. The heavy rain is causing me to lean towards not going.
No, obviously Rush does, judging by the comments here.
"He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...."
The list of Constitutional laws being broken in the Terri Schiavo case is a very long one, and it begins and ends with the court-ordered murder of an innocent, helpless woman.
If the President were sincere in his claim to be for a Culture of Life, and if he really saw a Constitutional crisis in the way the judicial branch has been behaving, Terri's case would be THE PERFECT opportunity to do something about judicial tyranny and the Right to Life.
The problem appears to be that he doesn't want to be called names by the liberal media. It appears to be more expedient to let her "death process" go forward THEN make his arguments *for* life and *for* a change in the way the judiciary is operating.
Few people around here have considered the consequences if either of the Bush brothers were to do what they demand.
The consequences would be a live Terri Schiavo, an excoriating of the Bushes in the press, a fair hearing, and an open debate on the judicial crisis.
Because neither of the Bushes want bad press what we will end up with is a dead Terri, an excoriating of the Bushes in the press, no further hearings, and a continuing judicial crisis.
I suppose if you consider any type of defiance of authority to be "violent" by definition, you might be able to argue that. Sort of in the same way that Gandhi was the "violent" type.
In any case, it was a simple enough question that I had asked you. What do you advocate that would save her life? If you don't like Schwaeky's solution, what's yours?
Indeed, it could get worse than that. Someone might wind up starved and dehydrated to death.
A mob rushing the Roach Motel, even brandishing pitchforks would be the exact wrong thing to do.
Why is that Jeb Bush's responsibility? That's up to the doctors, local police and the DA to decide if there is ANYTHING worth invetigating. I suspect there is nothing at all woth investigating.
I don't advocate saving her life. It's none of my business and none of yours or the other do gooders. It always was a matter between the family and the state of Florida.
There is nothing left of this poor woman but brain stem function. Let the poor thing die.
I spent every Sunday for one and a half years at the nursing home and hospice with my parents and I will tell you this- people starve themselves to death in their final days. I know this because I watched it happen over and over. DNR for both my parents and I was glad to see their suffering end. I had to tell the doctors to pull the plug on my brother.
I am as conservative as the next guy but I don't believe in the federal gov't sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. I wish all you good folks would but OUT. Have a nice day.
Oh the irony. It seems to me someone already has been "hurt" and badly at that. I've never seen such a bunch of cowards hiding behind the "law" in my life. When it's your turn to starve do you want us to shrug and say "it's the law" or do you want someone to come to your rescue?
No, I want to be left the Hell alone. I certainly don't want the "help" of a bunch of people who have no business sticking their noses into MY personal business.
This thing has been adjudicated over and over. Schiavo was appointed her guardian. A guardian ad litem was appointed by the court BEFORE he was granted guardianship.
I went thru the same thing with my mentally ill mother.
Thank goodness all you helpful folks weren't around to "help" my mother.
Anyway, though, it's nice to see you finally show your true motivations for posting. It's not that you think that the plan presented for saving her is too rash, but that you don't support the goal in the first place. If you don't support the goal, it's disingenuous to criticize the means.
No it isn't. As I stated before it is none of our business. You folks keep this up and elections are going to be lost to Democrats. See how you like politics then.
I am somewhat conflicted by something though. Apparently Schiavo is honoring his wife's wishes to the end. I don't think I could have held on this long. Personally I would have given up and let her parents tend to their PVS daughter if that makes them happy. But again, it's not my business and not my decision.
The thing that really bothers me is the insistance that government (Bushes) step in where they have no business. If that then what next in your private life ? Thanks, I'm outa here.
No what isn't? Are you agreeing with me that this isn't a pull-the-plug type situation, or was there something else in my post you were responding to?
As I stated before it is none of our business.
All indications are that she's being murdered, whether "legally" or not. That makes it everyone's business.
Apparently Schiavo is honoring his wife's wishes to the end.
All anyone knows about his wife's wishes that supports his position is a single piece of uncorroborated testimony from him regarding something she said after seeing a movie about a terminally ill patient. According to him, she said to pull the plug on her if she was in that type of situation. But of course, she's not, because this isn't a pull-the-plug type situation.
Would you say the same thing if the Schindlers agreed with MS decision?
Would you say the same thing if the Schindlers agreed with MS decision?
Yes, if all other pertinent facts were the same. Maybe I'm still of a tender age and not sufficiently jaundiced (somehow I doubt it, but I suppose it's possible), but I just don't see any justification whatsoever in refusing to even allow a swallowing evaluation to see if she's capable of downing liquids without aspirating.
The line between murder and "letting someone die" may be a bit thin at times, but I think I can still see which side of it MS is on right now.
Well, the pitchfork part wasn't literal, just using the words Patrick Buchanan used for his "Buchanan brigade"--a combination of economic liberterians and hardline social conservatives and blue collar workers combined to back him seeking the GOP nomination. But the idea of using massive numbers of protestors to force a turn in events through nonviolent, though assertive means, backed by the use of state force (Jeb would intervene in that case), would not be a bad idea.
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The key difference being that the Elian raid succeeded and was immoral. This one failed but its success would have been a moral victory.
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