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Did the PLO Murder Robert Kennedy? (TROPô got a pass on this one)
The History News Network ^ | March 28, 2005 | Mel Ayton

Posted on 03/30/2005 12:42:26 PM PST by quidnunc

The issue of a possible conspiracy in the murder of Senator Robert F Kennedy in 1968 has once again been resurrected with the publication of Peter Evans's book Nemesis and the recent calls from Hollywood celebrities and magazine writers to re-open the case. [1]

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Intriguing as Evans's thesis is, there is no credible evidence that a hypnotized Sirhan had been directed to kill Kennedy by the PLO — apart from hearsay and second-hand accounts by a number of individuals who were close to Onassis. The record indicates that Sirhan was indeed motivated by political considerations but he was an "unaffiliated terrorist" rather than someone who had plotted with a terrorist group.

Sirhan may have been mentally unstable and angry at a society that had relegated him to the bottom of the heap but there is sufficient evidence, originating years before the shooting, that Sirhan clearly saw himself, like today’s suicide bombers, as an Arab hero. The PLO and most Palestinians certainly judged him this way. And Sirhan’s lack of remorse is entirely in keeping with the terrorist way of rationalizing political murder.

Sirhan and his brothers could not, or would not, assimilate into American society. They abhorred U.S. culture, disliked the mores of the American people and, most importantly, hated the support Americans gave to the state of Israel. The family felt they were part of a minority group alienated and misunderstood within the larger community.

As most Americans were unaware of the Palestinian issue in 1968 very few journalists examined Sirhan’s background as a Palestinian Arab in an attempt to explain the tragedy. Instead, commentators wrote Sirhan off as yet another misfit with a gun who stalks and then murders a leading public official with no apparent motive except his own demons.

The Palestinian/Arab cause is the sine que non of the assassination. As a poor working class immigrant Sirhan identified with his downtrodden people living as refugees in Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. The period 1967-68, the year following the Six Day War, became a crucial time in Sirhan’s life because it was the time when Israel became dominant in the region having successfully defended itself against Arab aggression. Having failed to eject the Jews from Israel/Palestine, Arabs throughout the world felt powerless and weak and Arab pride had been severely damaged. Their condition exaggerated Sirhan’s feelings of inadequacy even though he lived thousands of miles away from the conflict. Many "exiled" Palestinians, like Sirhan, sought retribution and began to formulate plans to kill innocent civilians and hijack planes. Sirhan’s answer to these problems took the form of killing a major American politician who advocated support for Israel. Sirhan said, “ … this momentum just took hold of me and by June 5th 1968 [the first anniversary of the Six day War] I couldn’t control it [anger] anymore.”

To the Western mind terrorists are deranged and evil. However, their acts are not the product of insanity but possess a logic all their own. Terrorists have rational, if sometimes bizarre, motives. It is also true that many terrorists (like Al Qaeda’s Ramzi Youssef) display symptoms of a psychopathic nature — they are cold blooded and carry out their acts of terror unremorseful. But their acts are not the products of delusional or irrational minds. Nor was Sirhan’s. He did indeed crave attention and success. He was depressed that society had relegated him to the bottom of the heap.He felt an allegiance and empathy with assassins of the past. And he dreamed of infamy. But without his sense of Arabness and without his hatred towards Jews that had their roots in his childhood indoctrination, it is unlikely Sirhan would have assassinated Robert Kennedy. All the hatred that spewed forth from Sirhan’s gun can ultimately be traced back to three sources — Anti-Americanism, Palestinian nationalism and anti-Semitism. And this may have been the first act in an international political drama that culminated in 9/11.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; islam; jfk; koranimals; muslim; rfk; robertfkennedy; robertkennedy; rop; sirhan; sirhansirhan; terrorists; trop; y
And somebody needs to take a closer look at that Muslim who shot Pope John Paul II.
1 posted on 03/30/2005 12:42:26 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

I read Nemesis and thought it was really interesting, especially the Arab connections.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 12:43:36 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: quidnunc

--and had Sirhan Sirhan killed anyone less famous, he would be out of prison---


3 posted on 03/30/2005 12:48:45 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: quidnunc
They always get a pass. And some F-18s. And some nuclear components.

================= EXHIBIT 1 ================

Madrid


================= EXHIBIT 2 ================

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith,
but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America,
and Islam the only accepted religion on earth
"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle,
inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them,
so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”




The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 3 ================

AMERICANS ON A BRIDGE IN FALLUJA BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 4 ================

TORTURE OF AMERICANS BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 5 ================

PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 6 ================

The War for Infinite Justice SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESCALATED IN 2001


================= EXHIBIT 7 ================

Russia at Beslan.



================= EXHIBIT 8 ================

=========== Documents linking Atta, Saddam, Nidal, bin Ladin ===========

Handwritten letter dated Feb. 19, 1998 linking bin Laden and Saddam Hussein
discussing arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq.
The signature beneath the letter is a codename, "MDA" - the Mukhabarat.


4 posted on 03/30/2005 12:49:02 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: quidnunc
"And somebody needs to take a closer look at that Muslim who shot Pope John Paul II."
Just today it is on yahoo - document trail KGB - Stasi - Bulgarians - turkish assassin. While the idea is inviting, not every case of diarrhea or acid reflux is atrributable to TROP(TM). One needs to think clearer than farrakhanoids.
5 posted on 03/30/2005 12:52:58 PM PST by GSlob
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To: quidnunc

BUMP


6 posted on 03/30/2005 12:55:30 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: quidnunc

TROP is the common thread..


7 posted on 03/30/2005 12:55:34 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: GSlob
GSlob wrote: ("And somebody needs to take a closer look at that Muslim who shot Pope John Paul II.") Just today it is on yahoo - document trail KGB - Stasi - Bulgarians - turkish assassin. While the idea is inviting, not every case of diarrhea or acid reflux is atrributable to TROP(TM). One needs to think clearer than farrakhanoids.

Ockhams Razor is in full force and effect here:

Ockham's razor also Occam's razor – ("Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" or "plurality should not be posited without necessity.") a rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.

The KGB may well have been the hidded hand which engineered the attempted assassination of the pope, but what motivated the assassin — what did the KGB offer him as an inducement to do it?

It is not unreasonable to suspect that TROP™ was involved in the mix somewhere.

8 posted on 03/30/2005 1:02:22 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc; Peach; rellimpank
An interesting fact


Bobby Kennedy D made Joe McCarthy R- godfather of his daughter. Bobby Kennedy was also staunchly anti communist. Back in those Days political parties worked together on national security issues.
9 posted on 03/30/2005 1:04:43 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: quidnunc
...And somebody needs to take a closer look at that Muslim who shot Pope John Paul II....

1981 attack on Pope planned by Soviets: Report

10 posted on 03/30/2005 1:05:18 PM PST by FReepaholic (Vanity of vanities: all is vanity.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
--ah ha--"Tailgunner Joe"--one of my boyhood heroes---

Unfortunately, he had some flaws--

11 posted on 03/30/2005 1:07:15 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: quidnunc
And somebody needs to take a closer look at that Muslim who shot Pope John Paul II.

They did. Bzzzzzt! It was the Commies.

12 posted on 03/30/2005 1:12:15 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Kretek
Refer to my Reply #8 above.

Just because the KGB engineered the assassination attempt, that doesn't mean that the Turk Muslim participated because of a committment to Communism.

13 posted on 03/30/2005 1:21:19 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

For the purposes of operational control it would be much more convenient to work through organized crime networks. Who needs zealots with unpredictable phase shift?


14 posted on 03/30/2005 1:22:33 PM PST by GSlob
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To: quidnunc

JFK. RFK and MLK jr were all killed for defiling Marilyn Monroe


15 posted on 03/30/2005 1:24:13 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: quidnunc; All

Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian.


16 posted on 03/30/2005 1:41:35 PM PST by kingsurfer
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To: tscislaw; quidnunc; All

The assasination on the previous pope was far more successful. Very hush hush as well. It became the basis for the Godfather Part Three. It might have been the mafia but it could have been anyone really.


17 posted on 03/30/2005 1:43:21 PM PST by kingsurfer
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To: quidnunc
Let's see then, the Christian death threats against Judge Greer are the work of isloated lunatics, but Agca's assassination attempt on John Paul II is totally and completely representative of every Muslim everywhere. Right?
18 posted on 03/30/2005 1:49:09 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Kretek
Kretek wrote: Let's see then, the Christian death threats against Judge Greer are the work of isloated lunatics, but Agca's assassination attempt on John Paul II is totally and completely representative of every Muslim everywhere. Right?

The death threats against Judge Greer are most likely the result of over-zealous religiosity, and they are so far just threats.

The Turk who attempted to assassinate the pope was motivated by something, so what was it?

He once claimed membership in a Palestinian terrorist group.

19 posted on 03/30/2005 1:56:11 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: kingsurfer

I am curious, do you have a source for that?


20 posted on 03/30/2005 2:13:23 PM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: sharktrager

He was an Arab but not a Muslim.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/1928

Of course if you believe the conspiracy theorists then Sirhan was a fall guy anyway, his actions ever since have been weird to say the least. TBH there were plenty of people out to get the Kennedys, the Mafia were still pretty pissed at them.


21 posted on 03/30/2005 2:17:54 PM PST by kingsurfer
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To: sharktrager

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/assassins/kennedy/4.html?sect=24



"Religiously, his doctrines changed often, the ones holding the longest interest being Baptist, Seventh Day Adventism and several forms of occultism."

He seemed like a messed up kind of guy.


22 posted on 03/30/2005 2:20:29 PM PST by kingsurfer
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To: quidnunc

Nah, it was Bush's fault.


23 posted on 03/30/2005 2:21:16 PM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: Diogenesis

Too bad your long, repeatedly shared, post is completely off topic. Kingsurfer's research really does show he was a Christian.


24 posted on 03/30/2005 2:23:11 PM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: quidnunc

Muhammad advocated assassination to get rid of those who mocked him and Islam has been heavily into assassinations ever since then. As a way of political change and killing off kings,leaders and dynasties.


25 posted on 03/30/2005 2:27:26 PM PST by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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To: Diogenesis
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

Unless that religion could somehow disappear.


26 posted on 03/30/2005 2:28:32 PM PST by GunnyHartman (Allah is allah outta virgins.)
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To: quidnunc

At one of his parole hearings, Sirhan told the panel he had been reading all of Robert Kennedy's books and that he felt like if he were alive today, that Robert Kennedy would want him to be released.

That night Jay Leno (I think) said, "Talk about bad luck; the one guy who would want him out and he killed him."


27 posted on 03/30/2005 2:30:54 PM PST by Howlin
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To: rellimpank
"--and had Sirhan Sirhan killed anyone less famous, he would be out of prison---"

Agreed,something special is going on with Sirhan, he's getting special attention from Hyannisport, if you ask me.

Please also note my tagline

28 posted on 03/30/2005 2:42:22 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods

--the laast press release I saw on a Sirhan parole hearing noted the presence of Kennedy family lawyers--


29 posted on 03/30/2005 2:45:39 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Howlin
That night Jay Leno (I think) said, "Talk about bad luck; the one guy who would want him out and he killed him."

LOL. Leno has some great writers. Do you ever check out the 'Late Night Jokes' on Newsmax? It's pretty funny.

30 posted on 03/30/2005 3:03:30 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: kingsurfer
Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian.

PLO has always had *some Christians* and they had  a lot more back then. Back in Sirhan Sirhan's day the PLO was primarily a national liberation movement, secondarily a Muslim Jihad movement

31 posted on 03/30/2005 3:31:50 PM PST by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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To: sharktrager
"Religiously, his doctrines changed often, the ones holding the longest interest being Baptist, Seventh Day Adventism and several forms of occultism."

A Christian he was not. It appears he dabbled in more than just Christianity and never really settled on anything. But it's true he wasn't a Muslim and it's wrong to lay the assassination at Islam's feet.

People forget Pan-Arabism, Marxism, wounded pride and so on can be just as much a motive as religious zeal.

32 posted on 03/30/2005 10:24:36 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

The "occultism" came after the killing, not before.


33 posted on 03/31/2005 9:14:20 AM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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