Posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:00 PM PST by neverdem
Read "The Pink Swastika" and you will learn that much of the popular myths about homosexuality and the Third Reich are dead wrong.
"..surely was one of the great communicators ... who understood the fears, wishes and needs ... He was clever to the extreme and must have been a great retail as well as a wholesale politician. He took all his abilities, all of his intelligence and directed it towards evil; hence, he was an evil man."
Your description, to me, fits a recent President...or was it First Lady?
And that's because accurate drawings of people, especially the human face is quite difficult. That's part of the reason why modern art is so popular. The other part of the reason behind modern arts popularity is because drawing anything accurately requires skill.
While not a true homosexual, nothing you wrote would rule out Hitler being bisexual or having gone through a period of exclusive homosexuality during his early adult years in Vienna.
Hitler raved on about homosexuals the same way as you. :)
Wow, I had never read anything about him having a child. Poor kid.
Beating the nurture over nature drum to death. Some people are just plain evil.
I spent some time reading through the cited OSS report on Hitler's personality. A few things bear mentioning.
First, the report does not claim that Hitler was an overt homosexual, but rather that he had repressed homosexual tendencies. It also claimed he had heterosexual incliniations, but was impotent. The main finding about his sexuality was that he was a masochist.
Second, the report diagnoses Hitler with practically every mental illness under the sun, including paranoid schizophrenia. Some of the diagnoses seem very far-fetched and ridiculous. Some of the diagnoses rely on discredited psychoanalytic thinking; for example, the report explains that Hitler must have witnessed his parents having sex as a child, which inspired Oedipal rage and jealousy against the father, etc. A significant amount of Hitler's behavior is explained by silly mechanisms like Oedipal rage, desire to sleep with the mother, and so on.
Third, the report did not accurately predict Hitler's demise. The report claimed Hitler would die by having a Jew shoot him, thereby preserving his status as an anti-Jewish hero; or, that he would die by leading soldiers directly into a glorious battle; or, that he would die by committing suicide in some incredibly dramatic way like blowing up his palace with him in it. Instead, he just shot himself. Although the report accurately predicted that Hitler would commit suicide, that prediction was easy since Hitler constantly repeated that if Germany lost the war he'd commit suicide.
The report seems to suffer from a few problems. First, the Freudian/psychosexual stuff lacks credibility. Second, the predictions of Hitler's future behavior were inaccurate. Third, the report disagrees with various other psychoanalyses of Hitler, except in regard to Hitler's rage over childhood abuse and humiliation. Fourth, the report subscribes to a discredited view of schizophrenia as resulting from subconscious conflicts. It's now known that schizophrenia is the result of a degenerative brain disease, and I doubt very much that Hitler had it, since he displayed none of the typical symptoms. But the report repeatedly diagnoses Hitler as having paranoid schizophrenia, or being "on the verge of it" because of subconscious conflicts.
Doubtless Hitler was a deeply disturbed man with all kinds of mental problems. But the accuracy of the specific psychoanalyses in this report remain to be demonstrated. Some parts seemed highly plausible, and other parts seemed doubtful.
"The only thing I can figure is that these women like anal sex, or don't have what it takes to endure the built-in stress of a male-female relationship (the gubmint says our brains are different, DOH!)."
Well, as long as this is a psychobabble thread...
Women, if they are at all intelligent, realize that on some level all the men they meet would like to have sex with them (matters of self-restraint and morality aside). Indeed, it seems most women these days have had a lot of men try very hard to get them in the sack, employing various kinds and degrees of leverage, including dishonesty and even physical force.
Hanging with homos, first, they can relax because the homo doesn't want to nail them; and second, I really think there's an element of schadenfreude in that the homo wants to do to men approximately what those men want to do to women.
The attitude seems to be, "See how you like a man with an erection chasing you around trying to stick it in you for a change." Revenge by proxy.
Not true of all women, of course, but I have observed it in some.
Is your source for this info in a single volume I can pick up at Barnes and Noble?
Homosexuals were also singled out by Hitler's party for extermination. Perhaps he wanted to destroy everything resembling himself. Homosexuality itself is not destructive (the AIDS thing is a myth). It would be ethical to leave them to their desires.
I just rented and watched something on Hitler, called, IIRC, "The Rise of Evil."
I'm sure historians could find things to quibble with, but I thought it was pretty good.
They made Geli look about 16 instead of 21 (or maybe I'm just getting old) and they alleged that he liked golden showers, but they didn't present him as having SSAD.
One thing I thought was good was that they went into detail on how Hitler got Bismarck to apppoint him Chancellor.
"Homosexuality itself is not destructive"
Sorry to have to contradict you, but it is extremely destructive, both of the individuals afflicted and of every society that has ever condoned it.
One thing I thought was good was that they went into detail on how Hitler got Bismarck to apppoint him Chancellor.
President Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor.
It should be noted that after conquering the Chinese (he *did* give them a chance to surrender, and he did tell them what would happen if they didn't; they laughed at him), Ghengis Khan actually tried to settle down and have a trading empire. He improved existing trade links to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, and created new ones.
That all came to an end when some idiot Persian decided that Ghengis was a stupid barbarian who could be cowed and sent the head of the Mongol ambassador to the Persian Empire back to Ghengis in a sack. Unfortunately, the ambassador was a good friend of Ghengis, and we all know what happened next.
Ghengis was ruthless with his enemies, but faithful to his friends and allies. He was not evil, and he was very much a product of his times.
Well, duh on me.
I do know that, but at my time of life I find myself misspeaking with increasing frequency. The other day I meant to say, "Samui desu ne," meaning "It's cold, isn't it," but what came out of my mouth was, "Yasui desu ne." Meaning, in context, "My, the weather certainly is inexpensive today, isn't it?"
Recently I've even been caught making grammatical errors in my writing, which is frightening, because that never happened to me before.
SSAD is same-sex attraction disorder, which is a much more appropriate and accurate term to describe the problem.
The word "homosexuality" can imply that it is an immutable condition, which it is not, or that it is voluntary, which, in my view, it is not.
It is as involuntary as any symptom associated with a mental disorder, and it is curable.
Most sodomites are bisexuals.
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