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Zogby Poll: Americans Not in Favor of Starving Terri Schiavo (poll with fair questions)
LifeNews ^ | April 1, 2005 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/01/2005 8:05:46 PM PST by FairOpinion

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To: lizma

" The Florida definition of "extraordinary means" included gastric tube. "



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BUT Greer didn't order that the tube be removed and Terri not be fed through it, and if she could be fed and swallow normally, she could live, he ordered that NO nutrition or hydration be given to Terri -- by any means. Does that sound legal to you? He basically ordered the dehydration and starvation of Terri.


141 posted on 04/01/2005 9:15:10 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: paul51

Your version of this question is really the only fair and accurate one that can be asked
Why do you suppose that someone hasn't commissioned a poll like that? What morons. It's the obvious question.


it is the obvious question, however the ABC poll had an adgenda, and it was all about killing a disabled woman. The MSM needs to be shunned, and turned off.


142 posted on 04/01/2005 9:15:12 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I could be wrong but my understanding is that a Guardian Ad Litem is appointed for a specific purpose and I don't think that, at any time during their tenure, MS was removed as Guardian. Could be wrong - Maybe someone else knows different?
143 posted on 04/01/2005 9:15:52 PM PST by drt1
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To: FairOpinion
...his bases for Terri's wishes was that he and Terri were watching a movie, with a person hooked up to the ventilator and other tubes and he claimed Terri made a comment that she wouldn't want to live like that. THAT WAS THE BASIS.

That's good enough for me. And it was obviously good enough for the courts over a period of several years.

144 posted on 04/01/2005 9:16:05 PM PST by Jorge
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To: devolve

Thanks for the ping!


145 posted on 04/01/2005 9:16:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Please donate monthly to Free Republic!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
"Terri's grounds for divorce existed years before the decision by Judge Greer created the situation you describe."

So, you are assuming that Terri would have wanted a divorce?

What proof do you have to support that?

146 posted on 04/01/2005 9:16:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: maine-iac7
Terri wasn't given a choice. there is NO proof that she ever said she would prefer to be starved to death - only a man to whom her continued breathing was inconvenient...and who only remembered, after 7 years, that she said she wouldn't want to be kept alive by artificial life support.

What can I say? Every court believed him. And the law says the spouse has the last word in situations like this.

147 posted on 04/01/2005 9:17:54 PM PST by Jorge
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To: maine-iac7
"Never mind that a tube to give nutrient and water 3 times a day are not considered life support."

In Florida they are.

148 posted on 04/01/2005 9:18:10 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
They had testimony from several different people, including one of Terri's best friends, who corraborated the fact that Terri's wish was NOT to be sustained alive by artificial means.

No. Just Michael, Michaels brother and his wife. They all heard Terri make a comment "at a funeral".
While Terri was in the process of being starved to death, the brother changed his story to "They discussed it in the privacy of their own home" in a FOX interview. If it were in private and in their home, how then did he and his wife hear it?
The brother should make up his mind which lie he's going to keep and which lie has to go! It can't be both ways!
It's too late for Terri now, though.

149 posted on 04/01/2005 9:18:50 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Have you reviewed the testimony and evidence in the Trial and the review by the COA.

Have you reviewed all the informational links here?

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html


150 posted on 04/01/2005 9:18:55 PM PST by KDD (just the facts please)
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To: Jorge

good point !

sadly in fl hearsay evident such as the BS made by MS , his brother, and sister in law is allowable.

time to leave my home state .


151 posted on 04/01/2005 9:19:42 PM PST by BurtTpa
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To: Destro
What ever happened to letting the next of kin decide?

Letting the "next of kin" "decide" to kill a person is homicide. That's what happened.

152 posted on 04/01/2005 9:20:07 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: conserv371

I was watching the series Numbers tonight and I got the idea that there are maybe clues that have been overlooked that could turn Terri's case into a murder investigation. Maybe bloggers could dig up what really happened to Terri. I believe if Michael has a problem with anger, that sooner or later he will have problems with his new wife and kids. Also, I think George Felos with his insatiable appetite for killing will be linked up with some murder in the future. Just as the planes that went into the trade towers were put together after crashing, I believe this case can be pieced together as to what the facts are. This all is based on feeling that tracks are left and even when covered up or changed, they are still there. We are all humans and will make mistakes. Our key is to find the mistakes that they have made and bring them to light.

Don't forget that stinking judge greer, he has been involved in this murder for years.


153 posted on 04/01/2005 9:20:30 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

A duly-appointed lawyer for a person who cannot communicate in words is empowered to file such pleadings in that person's name as a "reasonable person" would authorize in that circumstance. It would have been malpractice for any independent lawyer for Terri NOT to file for divorce after Michael moved in with another woman AND took control of $1.6 million in Terri's name.

John


154 posted on 04/01/2005 9:20:55 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Me again. I could be wrong about this as well but my understanding of Terri's position was that she had no standing, that her legal being is/was embodied in her Guardian. That would explain why all of the legal moves on her behalf emanated on behalf of the Schindlers and they were directed towards removing the stranglehold of MS's Guardianship. Again, other input invited.
155 posted on 04/01/2005 9:21:04 PM PST by drt1
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To: lizma

You are overlooking the fact that Greer also forbade the provision of oral sustainence. The media canard that Terri had to be fed by the feeding tube is just that--a canard: if she could not swallow liquids, her saliva would have to have been aspirated, and this was not the case.

A spoon or a tippy cup is not an 'extraordinary means'. The jackbooted thugs outside the hospice weren't keeping out rogue physicians who wanted to insert a gastric tube, but ordinary folk who wanted to give a dying woman a sip of water.

There is a nice piece by a Harvard neuropsychiatrist whose job deals with severely brain damaged patients posted somewhere here. (I think the title was "It is ended".) It addresses the real judicial excess in this case.

Greer should be impeached. His order violated Florida statutes which forbid the denial of food and water to disabled persons, and was nothing short of state sanctioned murder.


156 posted on 04/01/2005 9:21:35 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: Jorge

You said: "Michael Schiavo spent YEARS seeking EVERY means of helping Terri he could.

It was ONLY after NOBODY could offer any hope that he gave up on her and decided to let her go."

I just pointed out to you, that he only was going through the motions of helping Terri,while the malpractice suit was going on and wanted to kill her, as soon as he got the money, yet you keep repeating this false claim.

And if he wanted to "let her go", why not do as he parents begged him: divorce her and let them take care of her?



157 posted on 04/01/2005 9:21:47 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Jorge

There was ONLY Michael's word for that, even.


158 posted on 04/01/2005 9:22:49 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Greer ordered the removal of ALL NUTRITION and HYDRATION from Theresa Marie Schiavo. The order never even mentioned the feeding tube.


159 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:18 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: FairOpinion

I never believed for one minute that the American people are as evil as the media made them out to be.

We did learn, however, how evil the media is.


160 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:22 PM PST by Nick Danger (You can stick a fork in the Mullahs -- they're done.)
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