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IDF gets world's best attack helicopters
Yedioth Ahronoth ^ | 04/03/05

Posted on 04/03/2005 1:30:17 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot

Three Apache Longbow helicopters arrive in Israel as part of USD 640 million defense-upgrade project; equipped with advanced night-vision system; remaining choppers to arrive by the end of 2006.

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) received three Apache Longbow helicopters Sunday as part of a newly-established 20-helicopter squadron.

The highly advanced chopper can fly in all weather conditions and at nighttime, as it comes equipped with a night-vision system that transfers images directly to the pilot's eyes, a senior IAF officer said.

Another major advantage of the chopper pertains to its radar, which permits the detection of more than one target at a time and enables the pilot to launch a missile without maintaining eye-contact with the target, he said.

"This technique, which is called 'Launch and Forget,' offers us an efficient way to deal with the current risks helicopters face - from Kalashnikov gunfire, to anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft fire," the officer said.

"The cockpit is a story in itself. Each activity or malfunction on the helicopter appears on the screen," another IAF officer said. "Everything is very user-friendly."

Each helicopter cost an estimated USD 27 million, and all in all Israel has invested some USD 640 million in the project, including the upgrading of Israeli-manufactured choppers and infrastructure development.

'We must prepare for any situation'

The remaining Apaches are expected to arrive in the country by the end of 2006 as part of a deal that was struck five years ago between the Defense Ministry and a number of American companies, including Boeing.

"This is a helicopter that brings unique capabilities to a long list of (military) operational aspects," an IDF official said.

Upon the establishment of the new IAF squadron, a number of Apache helicopter squadron pilots were sent to the U.S. to study the advanced helicopter.

Despite the recent positive developments in the Middle East, the IAF is certain the acquisition of the Apache Longbows is a necessity.

"We must prepare for any situation, including a 'classic' war," an IAF officer said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apache; apachelongbow; iaf; idf; israel; israeldefenseforces; israeliairforce; militarytechnology; miltech
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To: Last Dakotan
Insults aren't going to get you anywhere here. I'd stick to reasoned, informed logic.

Okay, LD.

Greetings anyway.

I hope I didn't offend you with my salutation. ; )

41 posted on 04/03/2005 2:48:02 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: dennisw
Israel always likes to mod the weaponry it buys.

Always for the better, for they have the long term "in combat" experience 2nd to none.

42 posted on 04/03/2005 2:49:56 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Daisy4

Sooo what's the IAF? :)


43 posted on 04/03/2005 2:50:07 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Daisy4

Nevermind! hehehe I got it ! My mind is a little slow right now.... time for more coffee.

I just want my free whirlybird so i can have it in my front yard to wash on the weekends :)


44 posted on 04/03/2005 2:51:25 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
45 posted on 04/03/2005 2:51:49 PM PDT by SJackson (You simply have to accept the fact that we are all corrupt-Mahmud Abbas to senior UN official, 1996)
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To: Billthedrill

Awesome chopper. Sure beats the Hueys we had in Nam, in the 60s.


46 posted on 04/03/2005 2:52:51 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

Israeli Airforce.


47 posted on 04/03/2005 2:53:30 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Paul_Denton
The Israelis began upgrading As into Ds back in 2000.
48 posted on 04/03/2005 2:54:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Daisy4

Thank you :)


49 posted on 04/03/2005 2:54:18 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: MississippyMuddy
I'll bet we'll see more changes in that region in the next 14 years than the past 1400. The human desire for freedom is what gives GWB and myself reason for optimism.
50 posted on 04/03/2005 3:01:28 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: EGPWS
A friend let me know that when he was marketing weapon systems for a major US aircraft builder, they always sent the first ones off the line to the Israeli's who would mess around with is and months (sometimes weeks) later the company sent their people to Israel to observe the improvements.

A garrison mentality does sharpen up ones mind, you know. And the Israeli's weren't exactly the dimmest bulbs in the chandelier to start with.
51 posted on 04/03/2005 3:04:24 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: Last Dakotan; Paul_Denton; EGPWS; IAF ThunderPilot

"You can Google for more information, given that other sites may have their own agenda. WRMEA Claims 2 billion a year in loan guarantees, much of which is later made into grants."

WRMEA has a hate US, hate Bush, hate Israel, Socialist agenda. Why are you using this site with its article by Stephen Zunes? Here is his bio:

"Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics and chair of the Peace & Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco. He writes frequently for such leftwing publications as The Nation, CommonDreams.org, AlterNet.org, AntiWar.com, and FromOccupiedPalestine.org. His numerous writings exhibit a deep obsession with and disdain for American support of Israel. In addition, he characterizes the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein as "illegal" and "immoral." In May 2004 he made a speech at a Santa Cruz, California event co-sponsored by the radical Committee for Justice in Palestine (CJP), entitled 'From Iraq to Palestine: U.S. Imperialism in the Middle East."

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1575

As to Googling, most of the hits come from Palestinian, Arab or leftwing and Socialist groups. So yes I distrust their agenda.

In addition, have you ever asked the question how much US foreign aid goes to Europe? Unlike aid to Israel this aid is buried in the defense budget under NATO funding. Nevertheless this is aid to Europe. Wealthy countries, our 'friends' like France, Germany and Spain opt to spend their saved money on extensive social programs instead of decent defense since they can rely on the US.

Here are some thoughts from the Middle East Forum, a US think tank founded in 1990:

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Kurz: But American policy by every U.S. president since Truman has been to try to advance peace and stability in the Middle East. Stability in that volatile region is worth a lot. We and our allies spent $60 billion in the Gulf war. That's a lot of money, and it was spent in a few months of a major military campaign. Peace is considerably cheaper than war. If the region can be stabilized that brings benefits to the United States—not just policy benefits but also monetary benefits. Oil flows more freely, the threat of war diminishes, U.S. influence increases. The long term hope is that as the threats to Israel decline, and Israel's military is strong enough to respond to whatever threat exists, then it will no longer need as much military assistance as now. Unfortunately, looking ahead over the next few years, the military threats to Israel are increasing dramatically. The Syria aid package is a finite deal. It's not a Camp David–type deal where the mistake was made of providing Israel with large loans that she is still repaying today

MEQ: $100 billion dollars has by now been invested in Camp David.

Kurz: Yes, but much of the money to Israel was loans, not grants, and at very high interest rates.

Fradkin: When Israel first reached the plateau of $3 billion dollars in aid back in 1985, Israel's per-capita income was, let's say, half of what it is today. Are Israel's needs twice what they were fifteen years ago? Or can Israel better afford to pay its own way?

Kurz: The per-capita rationale is misleading and unfair. When we look at our expenditures in Europe for NATO, we don't look at the per-capita income of the average European—which is very high. We look at what our interests in the region are; what needs to be done to meet those interests; and how much aid you need to do that. That's the kind of calculation we make in determining our defense budget, and it's the kind of calculation we make to determine our foreign-aid budget.

Fradkin: You don't factor in Israel's economic success at all?

Kurz: I do, but just as Israel's economy is doing much better, the military threats against her are much greater. Look at what's happening in the region: the nuclear threat, the missile threat, where they are coming from, the distances involved from rogue regimes like Iran and Iraq. All of those new threats are much more difficult, much more expensive, and much harder for Israel to meet on her own.

Here's an example: In 1994, Israel had to make a major purchase of planes in order to begin replacing over one hundred aging aircraft. It had to decide whether to buy F-16s that cost $20-$30 million per plane but could not reach Iran or F-15s that have the range to reach Iran but cost $100 million a plane. It ended up buying the $100 million plane, but only twenty-one of them because of the costs involved. So, if you look at Israel's military today, it is facing real needs that are not being met even with the American aid. Their defense budget is one of the highest in the world. It's 10 percent of Israel's gross national product; that's three times what we pay for defense and it's higher than in any other Western country

Clawson: But it's less than the average that we paid during the cold war. Israel is a country of a $100 billion-a-year GNP [gross national product]. It's spending $10 billion dollars a year on defense, but at one point when Israel had half the income of its current level, it was spending 25 percent of its income on defense. So Israel's income has gone up, and the percentage of its GNP spent on defense has come down. If Israel increased its expenditure on defense from 10 percent of GNP to 13 percent of GNP, it would mean no U.S. assistance. None. That's only 3 percent of GNP to replace U.S. assistance and leave this whole issue of aid behind.
Going back to what Ester said, I don't like the analogy between Israel and NATO. If we're present in Western Europe, it's because we think we're defending the United States, and to the extent that what we're doing in Israel is defending the United States, it should be in the defense budget.

Kurz: Some have argued that it should. We should remember, however, that the money we give to Israel is both to help Israel defend herself and to defend American interests in the region. The money we give to NATO is for the support of American troops to defend Europe and American interests in Europe. As an American, I would much rather give money to another country to help defend our needs in the region than to have American troops in the region. That makes a lot more sense and is a lot cheaper.

Clawson: The United States should defend the United States. When it provides assistance to an ally, then it's appropriate for the assistance to be in the defense budget. But it's not appropriate to put money for the defense of the United States in the foreign-aid budget. Nor is it appropriate for the United States to ask others to defend its interests.

http://www.meforum.org/article/63


52 posted on 04/03/2005 3:06:02 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

We should all buy stock in whatever Arabs line their caskets with. Tankers in Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc should go ahead and upholster their T72's in it to save time.


53 posted on 04/03/2005 3:15:53 PM PDT by Feckless
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

54 posted on 04/03/2005 3:16:39 PM PDT by StoneGiant
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I'll bet you a Shekel that Israel modifies them to make a version 10 times better.


55 posted on 04/03/2005 3:31:04 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (stay in a State of Grace)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

New choppers for what?

To hand over to the "palestinians?"

To strafe Jews who return to parts of Yesha after the expulsion?


56 posted on 04/03/2005 3:33:07 PM PDT by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: dervish
I'm not sure what your point is. I acknowleged that various entities on this issue may have their own agendas.

I don't care if the US aid to Israel is 2 billion a year or 3. Nor if it is in the form of grants, loans or Apaches. My problem is in the little gratitude shown.

For instance, can you find the tone of thanks in this backhand complement?: "Similar to most of Israel's US-acquired military hardware, the Apache Longbow (Sharaf in its Hebrew name), will receive improvements in its armament and navigational systems, using Israeli developed technology that does not yet exist in the US."

57 posted on 04/03/2005 3:33:27 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: EGPWS

Israel modifies in many ways the weaponry it purchases. I usually see an improved electronics package for starters. They put those in missiles and jets airplanes

Such electronics packages are not sold to any outside parties


58 posted on 04/03/2005 4:20:31 PM PDT by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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To: Last Dakotan

Israel appreciates US aid. Please give an example of Israel not being grateful and appreciative. Are you referring to when Israel disagrees with the GW Bush administration or any other US administration?


59 posted on 04/03/2005 4:23:37 PM PDT by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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To: A.A. Cunningham
You couldn't be a bit biased with a name like that(A.A. Cunningham) could you (wink wink)

Semper Fi!
60 posted on 04/03/2005 4:26:07 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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