Posted on 04/04/2005 4:34:38 AM PDT by goldstategop
I am hoping we can change all that. Certainly this case has served to wake up many people to the encroachment of the Death Culture upon our society. And could it be ANY clearer that the Judges are extrememly out of hand?
In case they haven’t noticed, we are in a constitutional crisis created by activist judges intent on mandating homosexual marriage (thereby deconstructing the American family), taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, abetting pornographers in flooding the country with filth, enshrining abortion-on-demand as the penultimate right, making Americans subject to foreign laws, and rewriting our history to transform America into one (secular) nation, under their heel."
Exactly!
You are right that I'm really uncomfortable with withholding food and water from anyone. I don't think it's right at all.
Yet, (not "but") I don't see any way that we can save all people. The Schiavo case is a really awful one in so many ways, but I can't see not letting family decide under most cases what happens to their loved ones.
Personally, I'd want to have the option for my family (including wife) to make that decision for me if the time comes, but I'd rather be given a big dose of morphine or something than be denied food and water. Is that euthenasia? I really don't know.
I don't mean any disrespect to you, but that's how I see it. The courts as a whole are asked all the time to make awful decisions because life is filled with awful decisions sometimes.
The Schiavo case is an especially nasty one, but I really believe deep in my heart that the framers of our constitution were being very wise when they established the protections for the judiciary. I believe we're already so filled with anger and hate right now that being able to "control" the judiciary would be a nail in our coffin.
Our country is in a "triage" mode as it is. We haven't even seen the beginning of how bad it is, financially. We're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, and with each of those stopgap transactions, someone is stealing 20%. I personally know people who are fully living and breathing and intelligent and kind who have DIED because the money doesn't exist in the system to pay for their care. Some of them have had children.
It's an awful thing, and Terri is a victim of so much, but there are thousands of Terri's out there (about 35,000 in a vegistative state) and countless more that have full facilties that are also dying.
I guess the symbolism is what troubles me. It's as if the "issue", once "won" will actually help people. I fear it will not.
I don't think everything is hunky-dory in the Schiavo case at all, but I think we don't serve anyone by going overboard (not to say AT ALL that I don't care about this tragedy)
If Michael Schiavo ignored the sanctity of his marriage, then there has to be a law that addresses that issue for a judge to rule that way. I'm not saying there isn't such a law now, but I haven't heard about it. I mean look. there are people in jail for LIFE under the 3 strikes you're out laws for stealing a few drugstore items and such (not saying it's right). The law says X and judges attempt to rule within those laws.
As for you calling the children of Schiavo "bastards", I think that's out of line completely. They did nothing wrong and are probably suffering right now because of all this.
What I'm really interested in is why you think there is no comparison in the baby "Sun" case. Sure there are differences, but isn't the crucial issue the same? A little baby is taken off life support over the objections of her MOTHER and all other family members. Forget the soap-opera qualities of the Schiavo case, What reason do you see that makes the death of baby "Sun" different?
Just wondering.
Look, I'm all for reducing the role of the Federal Government in our lives. For the most part I'm a States-Rights person.
I'm just against hypocracy in general. Left and Right both want things their way. If someone isn't furthering their own agenda, or trying to, then they're a pretty rare bird.
First, the "Schiavo "b*st*rds" comment was Not mine. I don't know who made that remark. But that isn't a comment I'd ever make.
Now....you seem to not understand that a judge has discretion. It's not black and white. And you don't allow any room for a judge who may have a conflict of interest, or may not be acting honestly or properly.
As for "life support" in a terminal case, and food & water for a disabled person, well, if you don't see a difference, I can't help you.
sorry about attributing the bad word to you. my apologies.
Actually I do understand that judges have discretion in most cases unless knee-jerk legislation takes it away from them in such cases as 3 strikes you're out and mandatory drug sentencing. Discretion is an important part of the process. I personally feel that after all this time in the courts and so many judges reviewing the case, it's safe to say that charging them with conflict of interest or dishonesty is rather bizarre. These aren't satan-worshipping monsters. They are people trying to do their job.
I'd allow room for questioning any individual I guess on anything, but I'd have to see some PROOF first. So far I haven't seen any.
As to the baby "Sun" case, thanatophoric dysplasia has had a better rate of survival into childhood than those in a persistant vegetative state have of recovering their conciousness after so many years.
I'm only saying that...Look, I watched Rev. William Thornton here in Chicago lose limbg after limb and finally his life over diabetes. The only thing that kept this wonderful father of SIX from still gracing our world was the cost of healthcare and the lack of funding for those without insurance. I submit that the lives to be saved are GREATER than our ability to save them. It is terrible but true.
Had we jumped on the bandwagon of Rev. Thornton, I would be fully in synch with you. he had CHILDREN who needed him, his carewas a FRACTION of the cost of Terri's care, and his dilemma is played out every day without a camera being trained on any of them. Does that mean I wish Terri her fate? No.
I am not you or your point of view. I just see a greater question, a more troubling question than simply Terry and against the evil, rioting corrupt judges.
Yes, I gathered that.
I was just curious if:
A. You knew how many federal judges there are
B. You knew what phrase the Associated Press begins most of its black-robed clown alerts with
I'll point out in advance that the AP feed is what most newspapers rely on to publish "news" stories.
Thanatophoric dysplasia by definition is a lethal, terminal condition.
What Terri had was NOT. Period.
That's the difference.
You keep going back to money. Why?
Terri's parents, with the help of donations had money to care for her. That ends that debate.
You already said that you don't think starving/dehydrating her was right. Then why are you continuing to support that decision and order? It was Wrong. It was barbaric. It was Not euthanasia. It was Not a tragedy.
It Was an Atrocity.
Tell the Media to report the REAL Schiavo polls!
http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=7351686&type=ME
My account, etc. of Terri Schindler's Funeral Mass:
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com
I go back to money because it's what we use as a medium of expressing our priorities.
I'm only trying to express that, you'll always find enough money in a case like Terri's when every news source is on the story.
Most people live outside of the spotlight. People die quietly every single day because the needed procedure/medication/etc. is beyond their means. They die quietly - there is no song composed for them, no midnight votes, no comment from Rush.
As sad as it is, as a society we're making life and death choices every day for people. Let's face up to that, OK?
You may call me a hypocrite or cruel, but I believe we HAVE to make hard decisions. It's too easy to go for the symbol and ignore the hard thinking. As the the big crunch starts in state-funded healthcare continues, we'll be making more and more decision like : "do we save these 7 diabetics from dying slowly with dialysis treatment, or do we spend the money putting a new liver in the guy in bed c-3?
Facing the truth is hard, but I don't see how we remain moral people without addressing it.
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