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1 posted on 04/11/2005 8:27:52 AM PDT by familyop
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To: SJackson
Ping!
2 posted on 04/11/2005 8:28:28 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: familyop

Interesting. I will bookmark to read later.


3 posted on 04/11/2005 8:38:38 AM PDT by cvq3842
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Temple Mount history - Ping!


4 posted on 04/11/2005 8:39:12 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: familyop

I very much look forward to the building of the third temple. Then, among other things, this "BCE" and "CE" garbage will be gone for good.


5 posted on 04/11/2005 8:42:03 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: familyop

Under every mosque is a church or a synagogue.


6 posted on 04/11/2005 8:59:37 AM PDT by WarPaint (Islam out of the USA. No, the world. http://www.protesting-islamd.com)
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To: familyop

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7 posted on 04/11/2005 9:00:08 AM PDT by MoralSense
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To: familyop

The only reason Islam built a mosque on the most holy site of the Jews was to deny it to them. Since Islam is a made up religion that borrowed heavily from Judaism and Christianity, it needed to manufacture for itself an identity.

The whole debacle of the "Dome of the Rock" mosque was akin to a dog urinating on its "territory."

9 posted on 04/11/2005 9:12:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: familyop

I'm sick of the MSM spin on this. They perpetuate a legitimate Muslim entitlement to the Temple Mount and perpetuate the myth that only Jewish "extremists" are interested in access to this holy site.

This site was holy to Jews 1000 years before Islam existed.

It is a disgrace that the Israeli government allows the Wafq to control it. Appeasement never works.


10 posted on 04/11/2005 9:30:37 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: familyop

Whose Jerusalem ?
Whose Land ?

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem: Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E; the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict; The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land. Autonomy under the Palestinian Authority has supplied them with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.


11 posted on 04/11/2005 9:46:19 AM PDT by Marguerite
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To: familyop
Of course the media don't believe the Jewish Temples stood there. That's in the Bible and the Bible is "mythology" (chas vechalilah!). Besides, isn't that the "redneck" book that advocates "oppressing minorities" (like the Jews, for example)?

The other day I read something by the late unlamented William Dudley Pelley (yimach shemo vezikhro!), the leader of the pro-Nazi Silver Shirts in the Thirties. He attacked the Bible as being made up of lies and utterly rejected HaShem (the Biblical G-d) and Moses, saying the Egyptians ran the Jews out because they had imposed a "New Deal" on the country. He also maintained that if anyone broke ranks on this and questioned Biblical truth they mysteriously died under sinister circumstances. Can anyone imagine such an idiot today thinking there was world conspiracy to protect the Bible?

If any Learned Elders of Zion are out there reading this, please feel free to secretly murder every higher critical faculty member in every "Bible" department at every secular and elite university. I certainly won't shed any tears, however much the Pelleys of our own day bawl about it!

HaShem 'Ish Milchamah!!!

14 posted on 04/11/2005 10:15:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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The Moslems running the Rock have been removing and dumping all "Time of Ignorance" artifacts from the site and dumping them elsewhere. Old link:
Temple Mount Wall in Danger
by Herschel Shanks
The surface of the Temple Mount has been controlled by the Waqf, the Muslim religious trust, for decades even after the Old City came under Israeli rule in the Six-Day War of 1967. The Waqf has been guilty of nearly 40 violations of Israel's antiquities laws since 1967, but Israel has not taken any steps to block its actions. Another possibility involves recent construction by the Waqf. In 1999 the Muslim group began a major clearance project inside the wall adjacent to where the bulge now appears. Using a bulldozer, the Waqf removed hundreds of truckloads of dirt (containing archaeologically rich material) and dumped it in the adjacent Kidron Valley.

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16 posted on 04/11/2005 10:46:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Deviance or rebellion without consequences is conformity.)
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19 posted on 04/11/2005 11:12:17 AM PDT by SJackson (You simply have to accept the fact that we are all corrupt-Mahmud Abbas to senior UN official, 1996)
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To: familyop
The first thing Islam did when they moved in to an area after the slaughter was to build a mosque on the holy sites of the conquered.

That is why many Mosques in the Eurasian locals are former Christian churches. San Sophia is the most notable example for Christians.
31 posted on 04/11/2005 7:46:44 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Rule # 4. When liberals have factual evidence that their position is wrong they ignore the evidence)
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Solomon
By Shira Schoenberg
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Solomon.html

The biblical King Solomon was known for his wisdom, his wealth and his writings. He became ruler in approximately 967 B.C.E. and his kingdom extended from the Euphrates River in the north to Egypt in the south. His crowning achievement was the building of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Almost all knowledge of him is derived from the biblical books of Kings I and Chronicles II.

Solomon was the son of King David and Bathsheba. Solomon was not the oldest son of David, but David promised Bathsheba that Solomon would be the next king. When David’s elder son Adonijah declared himself king, David ordered his servants to bring Solomon to the Gihon spring where the priest anointed him while David was still alive. Solomon inherited a considerable empire from his father.

At first Solomon was faced with opposition. Two of David’s closest advisors, Joab son of Zeruiah and the priest Abiathar, sided with Adonijah. When Adonijah came to Solomon and requested the king’s servant as a wife, Solomon saw that this was a veiled threat to take over his kingdom and sent a messenger to kill Adonijah. He banished Abiathar to the city of Anathoth. Solomon then followed his father’s last instructions in which David had ordered him to kill both Joab and one of his father’s enemies, Shimei son of Gera. Solomon thus overcame the last potential threats to his kingdom. He then appointed his friends to key military, governmental and religious posts.

Solomon accumulated enormous wealth. He controlled the entire region west of the Euphrates and had peace on his borders. Kings I states that he owned 12,000 horses with horsemen and 1,400 chariots. Remains of stalls for 450 horses have in fact been found in Megiddo. Solomon strengthened his kingdom through marital alliances. Kings I records that he had 700 wives and 300 concubines, although some regard this number as an exaggeration.2 He had a large share in the trade between northern and southern countries. He established Israelite colonies around his province to look after military, administrative and commercial matters. The empire was divided into twelve districts, with Judah constituting its own political unit and enjoying certain privileges.

Although Solomon was young, he soon became known for his wisdom. The first and most famous incident of his cleverness as a judge was when two women came to his court with a baby whom both women claimed as their own. Solomon threatened to split the baby in half. One woman was prepared to accept the decision, but the other begged the King to give the live baby to the other woman. Solomen then knew the second woman was the mother.

People from surrounding nations also came to hear Solomon’s wisdom. He composed 3,000 proverbs and 1,005 songs. He wrote the Song of Songs, the Book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.

One of the most celebrated visits to Solomon was that of the Queen of Sheba, who came from southern Arabia. Historically, Arabia was a country rich in gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Solomon needed Sheba’s products and trade routes; the queen of Sheba needed Solomon’s cooperation in marketing her country’s goods. The queen came to Solomon with camels carrying spices, gold and precious stones. She asked him questions and riddles and was amazed at his wisdom.

****Once Solomon’s empire was tranquil, he began to build the Holy Temple. He received wood from King Hiram of Tyre and imposed a compulsory labor service on both the Israelites and the foreign nations that were under his control. His workers built the structure of the Temple, its decorations and its vessels. The Temple took seven years to complete. It was built of stone and cedar, carved within and overlaid with pure gold. When it was done, Solomon dedicated the Temple in a public ceremony of prayers and sacrifices.****

Solomon was also renowned for his other building projects in which he used slave labor from the Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. He spent 13 years building his own palace, and also built a city wall, a citadel called the Millo, a palace for the daughter of Pharaoh (who was one of his wives) and facilities for foreign traders. He erected cities for chariots and horsemen and created storage cities. He extended Jerusalem to the north and fortified cities near the mountains of Judah and Jerusalem.

Solomon’s downfall came in his old age. He had taken many foreign wives, whom he allowed to worship other gods. He even built shrines for the sacrifices of his foreign wives. Within Solomon’s kingdom, he placed heavy taxation on the people, who became bitter. He also had the people work as soldiers, chief officers and commanders of his chariots and cavalry. He granted special privileges to the tribes of Judah and this alienated the northern tribes. The prophet Ahijah of Shiloh prophesied that Jeroboam son of Nebat would become king over ten of the 12 tribes, instead of one of Solomon’s sons.

Outside Solomon’s kingdom, Hadad, of the royal family of Edom, rose up as an adversary of Israel. Rezon son of Eliada, ruler of Aram also fought Solomon, and created tension between the two kingdoms that was to last even after Solomon’s reign ended.

Solomon died in Jerusalem after 40 years as ruler of Israel. He was buried in the City of David. His son, Rehoboam succeeded him as king. Under Rehobaum’s rule, Solomon’s empire was lost and his kingdom was divided into two parts.


Sources:

Compton’s Encyclopedia Online. "Solomon". The Learning Company, Inc, 1998.
Encyclopedia Britannica. "Solomon". Volume 10, 15th Edition, 1997.
Encyclopedia Judaica. "Solomon." 1978 Edition.
Scriptures: Kings I, Chronicles II. The Jewish Publication Society’s translation, New York: 1985.



34 posted on 04/12/2005 11:24:04 AM PDT by Daisy4
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36 posted on 06/22/2006 8:34:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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Very interesting comments here. I think you'd enjoy reading this thread.


37 posted on 06/22/2006 8:48:56 AM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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