Posted on 04/12/2005 10:06:43 AM PDT by crv16
One of my favorites is from the X-Files episode "Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space'", where the police investigator is always swearing, but the flashbacks show him saying "bleepity bleep".
My Mom still gives me the evil eye if I use the word "butt." Strangely, she does the same if I use more gentle euphemisms like "backside" or "rear-end." To this day I don't know the acceptable term for that part of the anatomy. I guess we're just never supposed to speak of it.
Funny, though, my parents never, EVER swore, but I cuss like a sailor (I'm trying to stop).
The true "outlet" which leads to true peace is humbling oneself to the Lord Jesus.
"Try to think of one example of an evil act which isn't instigated by fear. I sure can't..."
Greed is NOT motivated by fear, and neither is extortion.
You're reaching.
And rape is motivated by hate, not fear.
Nice try at dancing to the side, but this isn't disco.
> "works and plays well with others".
... says the man whose mission it is to get shut down threads he doesn't like.
Give yourself some credit, your posts get them pulled.
Give yourself some credit, your posts get them pulled.
Give yourself some credit, your posts get them pulled.
There you go, doing your spamming thing again. Grow up.
Hey you are an unemployed engineer, maybe you have time to fix the posting error in the FR software between attacking other posters.
> Hey you are an unemployed engineer
Do you even have the physical capability to tell the truth?
> I was grown up when I was your age son.
You may be old, but the evidence clearly suggests that you're not grown up.
I'm a parent. I know frustration better than any engineer.
And I also know that four-letter words are not appropriate in front of my children.
In Utah, you would also hear expressions like "holy flip" and "fetch!" which, I would have to admit, are silly imitations.
> In Utah,...
Since moving here, I've heard "Oh, my heck" more times than I can count. Which is odd, since "Oh my hell" and "crap" are equally common.
What emotion is more basic than fear? Even amoebas scuttle away in fear when they are prodded. It can lead to many things. Fear alone would most likely lead to increasingly complex unsound emotions.
Suppose this hypothetical (and probably correct) argument:
There is love and there is fear. They are conscious affection and unconscious excitement respectively. Having love (a strong interest or affection) surely cannot mean having a strong dislike (hate). Therefore hate is a product of the other basic emotion, fear. Evil cannot be the sole product of love alone since it is mutually destructive and involves affection for nothing.
Therefore evil is the product of fear.
(Note: Love and fear can supposedly be ultra-simplified to attraction and detraction respectively when considering non-humanisitc terms)
Getting back to the original situation: How can something as basic as fear be used to teach something as complex as morals? Morality requires awareness and rational thinking, sound decisions. Of course fear can be drawn upon to get someone's attention (yelling at someone who is about to walk off a cliff) but the primary tool MUST be love. If a child ONLY fears a parent and there is no love, we can be sure that morality will not be learned.
In many families, "hell" and "damn" don't even count. To each his own.
My pet peeve is that at church, here in Minnesota, the youth--and even some adults--say "crap" while giving talks in front of the whole congregation.
There is a time and place for such things, and at church is neither the time nor the place. Even though some people don't like it, there IS still such a thing as "polite society," where profanity is to be avoided like the plague. In certain locations, and in certain company, it is NEVER acceptable, regardless of one's emotions.
Wrong.
Selfishness is more basic, as with fear you're still GIVING something to someone.
With selfishness, you're giving nothing.
And hand in hand with selfishness is hate.
You're still trying to sidestep this dance.
And you're getting tangential.
I answered your question, you don't like the answers.
"as with fear you're still GIVING something to someone."
You can fear the presence of something but fear itself does not give the presence of anything other than a reaction.
If fear leads to hate which leads to evil than you are giving someone a
wound (evil act).
You would have to rephrase it: as with fear you're still GIVING something to someone.
If it's just fear than you would have to claim that someone who is afraid will always fight and will never hide (hiding means being away from people while not giving them anything) What definition of fear are you using? I was refering to reactionary stimuli. Is there another definition of fear?
If by selfish you mean doing what's good for the self then:
"With selfishness, you're giving nothing."
yes you are, you're giving something to yourself.
"And hand in hand with selfishness is hate."
Not if you love yourself. That's selfish and it's not hate. It's love of self. You can love yourself and others at the same time right? There's also another flaw in your objection. If selfishness is giving nothing and selfishness goes hand in hand with hate, than how can hate ever lead to giving damage to the object of hate? If something is NOT GIVING than it is either TAKING or DOING NOTHING. If it exists than it is doing something, it's existing. note: creating is giving one piece to another
Since selfishness exists, as you state, we may assume that it does not involve doing nothing. Absolute, primal selfishness would be absolute nothingness which is non-existence.
That would mean that hate is taking in (consumption). How can that be? For example, a Kluxer can be hateful but he doesn't necessarily want to consume and "take" cultures that he hates. He wants to segregate. Separate them away from himself.
"I answered your question, you don't like the answers."
You're right, I like debate, it's more interesting. I can debate with you as long as a perfect argument your statement does not make. Telling me again that i'm not thinking or that I don't know an answer when I see one will only show that you lack the power to be convincing. Even the lack of ability to not convince a fool is still a lack of ability.
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