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Japan: China Is "Scary Country"
CNN ^ | April 12, 2005 | Tara Duffy

Posted on 04/12/2005 4:23:08 PM PDT by srm913

NEW DELHI, India -- China's premier has told Japan to "face up to history," while a top Japanese official has called China "scary" as a war of words simmers following massive protests in the weekend.

The missives on Tuesday came after tens of thousands of Chinese took to the streets on Saturday and Sunday, angry at a new Japanese history book they say fails to admit the extent of Japan's World War II atrocities.

The protests -- which were the largest since 1999 when crowds rallied outside the U.S. Embassy in Beijing when three Chinese were killed in Belgrade -- also targeted Japan's bid to become a permanent U.N. Security Council member.

In the latest flare-up between the two former rivals, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told reporters in New Delhi on Tuesday that Japan must "face up to history squarely" and that the protests should give Tokyo reason to rethink its bid for a permanent council seat.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: china; northeastasia
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To: ProudVet77

Yeah. I fear for Taiwan. Not only for its security as a whole but the KMT + PFP alliance which is all too similar to our own democratic left. Lein Chan and that other guy were breaking their own laws when traveling to the PRC and it is belived that the KMT has a pact of sorts with the PRC. I just hope the DPP and TSU can contain their enemies within, pass that military budget and get their factories working overtime to produce as many of their new Hsiung Feng III (missile that outperforms the Sunburn) as possible in a short amount of time.


21 posted on 04/12/2005 6:22:27 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: ProudVet77
Can anyone tell me ( forgive me of my ignorance ) what does " BLUE NAVY " mean ? and what does Gray Navy mean ?
22 posted on 04/12/2005 6:26:31 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: srm913
Scary
23 posted on 04/12/2005 6:27:39 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: jolie560

Yes, until either, or, one side lights up the birthday candles.


24 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:13 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
While Clintoon reduced the size of the military and did a lot of stupid things, oddly enough most of the DARPA projects that are baring fruit right now, like UAVs and smart weapons like JDAM and AMSTE were actually started under Cohen. I doubt that BJ even knew what was going on, but Cohen appears to have done a good job in most areas, unless the military was slick enough to fool him too.
25 posted on 04/12/2005 6:35:30 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: srm913

i love it.

the japanese are going to start to energize.


26 posted on 04/12/2005 6:39:30 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Blue Water refers to deep water Navy, mid Atlantic for example. Littoral Navy refers to close to the coast. Brown Water Navy (sometimes referrred to as green Navy) is inland rivers. Look at my profile and you'll see example of Brown water and Blue water Navy.
Gray Navy is the same as Blue Water, it's just referring to the color of the ships, haze gray. The term is usually only used by former Brown water navy types ;) (as a pejorative!)


27 posted on 04/12/2005 6:39:59 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77
I guess those Black projects and budgets came in handy after all.
We need to give notice to all of the DARPA and Black projects people, to get these things out the door and online and running in service as soon as practical, like yesterday.
28 posted on 04/12/2005 6:41:13 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

They are. Rumsfeld is really pushing it. That is why he delayed $$s for a carrier for a year, and reduced the DD(X) and CG(X) budgets. They are cranking up on UAVs like it's going out of style.


29 posted on 04/12/2005 6:44:32 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

I had one student at my university who was Taiwanese and who had lived most of his life in Japan and he hated the Chinese government with a passion. The Taiwanese know that the Chinese use the most blatent of double standards in the indoctination of their students: They decry the Japanese for not mentioning various atrocities (Nanking, etc) in Japanese textbooks, yet their texts actually tell children to hate groups such as the Japanese, the Falun Gong, and so on.

Furthermore, books authored by Chinese that simply state that Chinese should learn more about modern Japan before they automatically hate the country are pulled from circulation.

The Chinese gov't has successfully challenged the angers and frustrations of the unfree Chinese populace for now, but once Japan stops being a scapegoat for every wrong tha Chinese gov't does, look out world.


30 posted on 04/12/2005 6:46:27 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: ProudVet77
So,,, really, the only country that has a effective Blue water Navy, Brown water Navy is the USA ?
I don't remember were I got this statement from, but, I was reading a article onetime.
This person meet Collen Powell at a party, and he asked Collen Powell ( I guess he was still CH of joints chiefs of staff )" who has the most strongest, most powerful military in the world ? " and Collen Powell said " We do ".
And then, this person said, then, " who ranks closest in line to our military in the world ? " and Collen Powell said, that the next country that ranks next to ours in military strength , ranks, 7 th in the world.
But, that was a few years ago, and I sure hope the USA has made great strides in keeping up way ahead of other countries in military strength, and keeping our techeknowligal edge.
31 posted on 04/12/2005 6:51:05 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: srm913
Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told reporters in New Delhi on Tuesday that Japan must "face up to history squarely" and that the protests should give Tokyo reason to rethink its bid for a permanent council seat.

This is the real reason. The Chinese don't want the Japanese to have a permanent seat on the Security Council. Japan contibutes almost 20% ($321,091,920) of the total UN regular budget and China contributes 2% ($33,860,782).

The Chinese seat used to be held by Nationalist China (ROC) until it was turned over to the Communists (PRC)on November 21, 1971. The Republic of China (ROC) was one of the founding members of the United Nations and a permanent member of the Security Council from its creation in 1945.

We should never have agreed to the One China policy.

32 posted on 04/12/2005 6:52:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

We're still #1. We have a very powerful Blue Water Navy, but we need to catch up on the littoral side. Certain countries like Denmark and Sweeden due to their geographies have only littoral Navies. But we'd still kick their butts in littoral warfare because we'd use airplanes. But it's important we build a littoral Naval force as that is where the action will most likely be next. And ships have staying power, planes can only attack and then fly home. We can do the job now, but we don't believe in even fights. Better to use overwhelming force. Which was the point of Colin Powells remarks. I'd say 2nd best is England, 3rd is Japan.
But the Brits only have 2 small carriers, we have 12 huge ones. So I guess they rank #7.
(The brown water Navy has pretty much been taken over by the Marines in Iraq. Navy guys are not as good at Marines with small weapons. I'm glad to see them do it.)


33 posted on 04/12/2005 7:03:03 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

It's too late for Taiwan, Republic of China. Their business men have already shifted or are actively planning to shift their money and industries to Mainland. The current president and his DPP party look awfully confused as to what to do.


34 posted on 04/12/2005 7:13:23 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: ProudVet77
You mean to tell me ? that England or Japan has a more powerful military than even Russia ? or China ? or is it ? they have a stronger Navy than Russia ? or China ?
Other than Russia and China having nukes, they don't have squat, right ?
So the great equalizer is the USA, with our nukes, but, if it were to escalate to that point of a large nuclear war, what difference does it make, if we have ( correct me on these figures ) 20,000-3,000 nuke warheads, to China's 500-1000 nuke warheads , or Russia's 10,000-3,000 nuke warheads ) all of us will be annihilated.
35 posted on 04/12/2005 7:14:45 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Fishing-guy

Do you have any links to stories that verify this?


36 posted on 04/12/2005 7:16:58 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: srm913
China is assuming that Japan will be like Taiwan in that we wouldn't do anything if they were attacked.

They are either getting very stupid or very desperate over there, and niether one is good. I'm also concerned about India, as a country that we should have on our side, they seem to be putting themselves in a real bind by listening to China's overtures.

37 posted on 04/12/2005 7:27:59 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I was speaking in term of non nuclear Navies. Russia's Navy is pretty beat up at this point and no longer an issue.
China's navy is largely made up of junk. They have a handful of decent ships that they have purchased from Russia, but the rest is pretty said. I'm not as sure of airforces. I know we are #1 by far, 2nd might be Japan or england or france, not really sure. The chicom airforce has a lot of planes, but about 1/2 of them are 70s vintage Mig 21s that aren't even able to be refuelled in air. They have no functioning AWACs or in air refuelers. They do have some decent aircraft that they bought from Russia, but again it's only about 10-20% of their air force. Can't speak to the strength of the russian airforce, on paper their planes look ok but few have flown in combat, and I don't know numbers. They are having all kinds of issues with troops, and a lot of financial problems within their military. Here's a link to some chicom af data.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/plaaf-equip.htm


38 posted on 04/12/2005 7:30:27 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77

Let's just hope, that claimer heard in China prevail, or a overthrow ( we don't know how dangerous that could be ) of the communist government in China by pro-American forces/Pro-REAL Democracy forces, and it looks as though, now is the time for that to happen.


39 posted on 04/12/2005 7:37:17 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ProudVet77
Looks like the article I was looking at few weeks ago no longer exists. As I recalled, it basically said that Taiwan has already invested 100 billion US dollars on mainland, and there are around one million Taiwanese living there.

The high tech and medium-size businesses are lobbying for greater freedom to invest on mainland, which the government has so far put a limit on. The reasons they are moving to mainland are the same as US companies are moving there, that is the bottom line.

At the same time, the communist government is telling these business men that either they parrot the communist party line or they can go back to Taiwan, without their investments, of course.
40 posted on 04/12/2005 7:58:08 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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