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World Powers in 2030? a shift in the balance of power continues
g2mil.com ^ | Summer 2005 | Carlton Meyer

Posted on 04/17/2005 10:44:32 PM PDT by Destro

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To: RWR8189

What makes the United States the United States? Adaptability for success. Take any point in US History and try to project 25 years into the future:

1776-By 1801 this country will be a beaten colony of share croppers.

1830-By 1855, this country will be a Spanish province.

1862-By 1887, this country will be a agrarian waste land of slave owners.

1888-By 1913, this country will be completely owned by five men.

1933-Forget it.

1950-By 1975, this country will own the world.

1975-By 2000, this country will be a slave of the Arabs due to its gas consumption.

2005-By 2030, this country will be bankrupt.

I just do not believe it is wise to project present trajectories on the American model. It never works.


101 posted on 04/18/2005 9:15:38 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: jveritas; Destro; A Simple Soldier
And we spend over 400 billion dollar a year on the military which larger than EU, China, Japan, Russia, India, and many other countries combined.

Yes, but that's why I kept US in first place. LOL

Thirty years is a long time in such terms. Thirty years ago was 1975. Thirty years before that was 1945, and thirty years before that was 1915.. It's easy to overlook how much can change in 30 years.

Think back thirty years: America was reeling from Vietnam; the Soviet Union was challenging for hegemony even in Latin America; the forces of Europe combined were thought at least as powerful as the United States. Japan was still an economic joke; Korea an even funnier one. Etc, etc.

So, a lot can change in 30 years and I'm fairly sure my predictions are actually a bit conservative.

102 posted on 04/18/2005 10:01:55 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
The US will remain the supreme world power for many generations to come.

The US is the most powerful nation in history. Never before in history of mankind that one nation acquired so much political, economical, military, and cultural influence like the United States of America. If and when we go down, the whole world will go down with us.

103 posted on 04/18/2005 10:56:26 AM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Destro

I can't see the EU being #2, I think the Islamic influence will do them in.


106 posted on 04/18/2005 5:04:08 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage Listener - Any Questions?)
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To: RightWhale

Brazil is a sick doggie ruled by a leftist (Commie) prez. I see not much hope they can overcome that problem. They are now aligning themselves with Venezuela and Cuba (and, of course, China). Argentina is on the verge of another economic collapse and political chaos will reign. Latin America is becoming a Chinese commie enclave, while we ignore the problem.


107 posted on 04/18/2005 5:07:18 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Destro
Not bad for floating a discussion, but I wouldn't bet on a single prediction in the article. The primary reason is that the author isn't actually taking population AND economy into account, he's doing two separate analyses with each as a single variable. The real outcome is a multivariate problem incorporating major impacts of events yet unknown.

Could anyone have predicted the current geopolitical alignment of the world in 1975 based on population or economy? (Well, yes, and they did, but accurately?) China would have been number one based on the former, Japan on the latter. The single event that kicked those models in the shins was the fall of the Soviet Union, an event that practically nobody predicted in 1975.

I will say that a united Korea will most likely end up in a severe economic slump if the German model holds true, and that is assuming that (1) Kim doesn't turn the place into a radioactive wasteland in the interim, and (2) that the South continues its rate of economic progress to the point where absorbing the North is even feasible.

Mexico? The current economic unipolarity and the pressing population problems of that country coupled with chronic corruption in government argue a fall, not a rise, in prominence. Extraction economies that do not blossom into something more entrepreneurial and diverse tend to stagnate - Saudi Arabia's, for example. I see Mexico stuck in that pattern but would love to be wrong - it'd take some heat off our southern border.

India? Lots going for it if it doesn't slide back into a socialistic model. The EU? Will it even be a federation at that point or remain an economic alliance? Australia? Some of the more vibrant New European states such as the Czech Republic or Hungary? Couldn't say but I wouldn't bet against anyone with a relatively free market, an educated population, and a representative government. Those three are my best predictors of performance.

110 posted on 04/18/2005 5:32:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Stingy Dog

Sad Bump.


111 posted on 04/18/2005 8:06:00 PM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: jveritas

You can't compare US like that. You can't compare Rome to US because it's totally different back then. Apple and orange. For the modern time, I agree with you.


112 posted on 04/20/2005 11:33:18 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Destro
The author AND the site are LIBERAL. Try reading more than just one little article.
113 posted on 04/24/2005 12:30:01 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: general_re

very interesting point -- by the same token, i've always assumed that at some stage, as these countries begin to develop, their own internal needs will mean they will have fewer resources available to "outsource" and things will gradually balance out... until the next cycle of the game
of course (one might imagine in twenty or thirty years South African helpdesks outsourcing the US, Chinese and Indian markets)


114 posted on 04/24/2005 12:55:16 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Probably because you have never read a paleo-conservative view before? What liberal calls for closing the borders?


115 posted on 04/24/2005 5:26:34 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Paleo-con or Libertarian but not a Liberal.


116 posted on 04/24/2005 5:41:25 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro


I SAY THE US WILL BE NO.1

I will put my money on the US as the greatest power

The US had attracted the best brains in the World to come and do R&D. and this makes all the difference. The US also possess, huge, huge national resources

With brain-power, natural resources, good political system, educated workforce etc, the US JUST CAN"T GO WRONG

The US may be faltering a little bit now, BUT SOONER OR LATER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL FIND THEIR DIRECTIONS AGAIN


117 posted on 04/24/2005 7:38:00 PM PDT by Wudan Master
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To: Destro

Well, I do not read "just one thing" and come up with this. If you read the other articles by this guy, and examine the site carefully... but then, I'm expecting people to take the time to understand something. never mind.


118 posted on 04/25/2005 7:51:14 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Like I said, you probably have no experiance reading Paleo-conservative or Libertarian viewpoints which are conservative but hostile to the Bush agenda. Find an example from the Marine's website and I will explain where it falls into the political spectrum and why.


119 posted on 04/25/2005 8:34:50 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
While the United States is the clear superpower today, the European Union surpasses the USA in population, GDP, and industrial output. So if the EU continues to merge politically and militarily, it will become a superpower.

Lets see. France and Germany with 10% unemployment rates and growing. Spain also becoming socialist. A military that cannot project its power. A growing muslim population that further strains the EU's economy.

Yeah the EU is one incredible superpower! /sarcasm

120 posted on 04/25/2005 9:38:57 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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