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World Powers in 2030? a shift in the balance of power continues
g2mil.com ^ | Summer 2005 | Carlton Meyer

Posted on 04/17/2005 10:44:32 PM PDT by Destro

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To: wardaddy

Does it matter America may be 30%-40% Latin American?


61 posted on 04/17/2005 11:58:24 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I did ping you.


62 posted on 04/17/2005 11:59:24 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas
Just letting you know. You used that line before and I don't abide punks who post insults behind peoples backs.
63 posted on 04/18/2005 12:02:28 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Frank T

ONe problem the U.S. has going for it is low birth rate. If we can't get our birth rate up we are going to need a lot of immigration of productive poeple.


64 posted on 04/18/2005 12:03:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: general_re

Friedman may have missed that because he paints it as a negative for us Americans. Freidman's recent book should be subtitled "I still am for globalization but I am afraid America is becoming less competative when I thought we would be ahead of the pack".


65 posted on 04/18/2005 12:08:04 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: nickcarraway

Our Latin American immigration hides the low borth rates which kind of mirror Western Europe's birthrates.


66 posted on 04/18/2005 12:08:52 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Frank T
But once the demographic hump is crossed, won't the remaining younger generations have significant capital from inheritances?

I referred to "human capital". There's no point in inheriting, say, a factory, if nobody works there, nobody can design new products, and there aren't any customers left.

68 posted on 04/18/2005 12:12:20 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Destro

Woe is me ALERT. The sky is not falling.

Carlton Meyer is very consistent.

Consistently wrong.

His analysis is worthy of a college freshman who reads Chomsky for analytical depth. He is a shrill isolationist who make Pat Buchanan look like Woodrow Wilson.

Population is as much a drag as a benefit. China is aging very quickly. Median age will be 39 by 2020. One child policy is now really starting to skew the sex ratio significantly. Chinese military is mostly a jobs program. Fihter pilots barely given enough fuel to fly so they don't defect to Taiwan. Most of their tanks are T55 equivalents. China manufactures trinkets and junk. How many Chinese made cars or TVs or home computers are on the world market?

Europe's economy has many problems in its foundation. Plus the citizens of France may just very well repudiate their elite political class and vote NO on te EU Constitution. The EU may soon join the USSR in the dust bin of history.

Japan has been in recession since 1991 or so? Ever bought a can of Coke in Tokyo?

Our economy can weather rough spots like no other in the world. If we go bankrupt, the whole world economy collapses.


69 posted on 04/18/2005 12:18:49 AM PDT by A Simple Soldier
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To: Destro

A) China is more likely to have an economic cataclysm than the United States. China is in a full-blown bubble - bigtime.

B) The European Union includes the UK.

C) If Korea unifies, they will (1) scale back their military spending in a major way; (2) their finances will be sucked into rehabilitating the North for several decades.

D) If Mexico ends up in any Top 10 world powers list in 2030, I will eat this page. ;) Why won't they? Because they have no geopolitical reason to build up their military to that extent.

The top 10 military powers in 2030 (counting the EU as one, and ignoring Israel's and Pakistan's nukes):

1) United States
2) European Union
3) Japan
4) China
5) Russia
6) India
7) Korea (unified)
8) Australia
9) Iraq
10) Iran


70 posted on 04/18/2005 12:19:25 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: general_re

Eurosocialism is as Eurosocialism does.


71 posted on 04/18/2005 12:21:28 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: jveritas
This article is written by a delusional moron who just want write what he sees in his wet dream.

Oh, so THAT's what this whole thing was about. And here I thought it was a futile attempt at stand up comedy.

72 posted on 04/18/2005 12:23:48 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Destro

This is one of the most profoundly idiotic attempts at economic analyses I've seen in a good, long while.


73 posted on 04/18/2005 12:28:17 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: AntiGuv
PS. Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia might be contenders for the top 15. Brazil and Pakistan too. Turkey if not in the EU; Taiwan if still independent.

Indonesia?!? They won't even be in the same city as the ballpark.. They spend about the same on their military as Peru (tied at 50) and 33% less than Austria..

74 posted on 04/18/2005 12:29:08 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

I'd bump Japan to 2 and India to 3, otherwise a much smarter list. I'd only include the EU so long as it includes the UK, otherwise, no way.

Of course, making a prediction of how the world will look in 25 years is teetering on the brink of madness.

Who predicted anything remotely close to the current state of the world in 1988? 1994? 1999? Much less 1980.


75 posted on 04/18/2005 12:33:14 AM PDT by A Simple Soldier
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To: A Simple Soldier

The EU combined spends about $180 billion annually on their military; that still way ahead of China ($55 billion) and Japan ($40 billion). I do think that Japan's figure will go up as they become more globally active. I think China will have serious economic & political difficulties in the next 25 years that will drag them down from where they would be otherwise (#3).

India doesn't spend anywhere near enough ($11 billion) to get much higher, and they may even be too high if they don't pick up from where they are now.


76 posted on 04/18/2005 12:40:53 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: A Simple Soldier

Also, Iraq will be in the top 10 so long as they get it together and stay closely allied with the U.S. as I think they will. Otherwise, no.


77 posted on 04/18/2005 12:43:03 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: RWR8189

"Of course China will have a larger GDP than the United States eventually, 1 billion people live there!"

Not necessarily. It's a factor of time and currency appreciation. On strict growth alone, China would likely never get there, especially with the U.S. population continuing to expand and the GDP gap already being so massive.


78 posted on 04/18/2005 12:44:44 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: KalleKula

"According to the CIA fact book the GDP of the two blocks/countries are even at 11 trillions. If you don't adjust for PPP the EU comes out ahead."

US GDP is currently at about $12 trillion USD.

The EU-25 GDP is currently a bit larger on the basis of the overvalued euro. Regardless, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who believes that the U.S. won't outgrow the EU (even EU-30) just as it did the last time the EU's aggregate GDP was larger than America's.

Regardless, it's really foolish to ever compare the EU's "GDP" to that of America. It's simply not a single economic entity. If the comparison is taken as valid, then you have to insert enough wiggle room that you should more accurately compare NAFTA and the EU.


79 posted on 04/18/2005 12:48:53 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: A Simple Soldier
Also, when I consider military prowess I think about what a nation can do if they really want to, not necessarily what they're likely to do. If the EU really wanted to, they could kick some serious @$$; more likely they're just gonna hang out on the sidelines, whining and sneering.....
80 posted on 04/18/2005 12:54:12 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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