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Day Two: Conclave open thread. (Watching for smoke!)

Posted on 04/19/2005 1:41:55 AM PDT by watsonfellow

Let's hope today brings us a new Pontiff!


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1 posted on 04/19/2005 1:41:56 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

I've been up since 3:45 am (EDT). Just to watch a chimney! I think the dominant question this morning in the conclave is the Ratzinger question: will they want him as Pope, or not? We will probably never know the course of the voting, but the key indicator is the shift in numbers for Card. Ratzinger from the first to the second balloting today. If his numbers go up, then his candidacy is strong; if down, his candidacy is over, and the Ratzinger--George--Arinze axis looks for a compromise candidate.


2 posted on 04/19/2005 1:47:51 AM PDT by Remole
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To: watsonfellow; BigSkyFreeper

Mark a place.
Can't say for sure if I can hang in for the morning vote.
Lunch time for them at Noon, one whole hour away.


3 posted on 04/19/2005 1:52:32 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Remole

The MSM bias is so evident.

I mean after one vote, they all claimed the Conclave was moving against Ratzinger or that they were hopelessly deadlocked.

I'd like to see anyone get 115 men who don't know each other and have them conjure up a 2/3 vote on the first vote.

Please.

By the by, I'm hoping for Francis Cardinal Arinze, all the pluses of Ratzinger, but alot of joy in the third world!


4 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:18 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

We know now.

The first vote of this morning (second vote of conclave) did not yield a winner.

We would see smoke by now.

So we are now on the third vote of the conclave, second of the day.


5 posted on 04/19/2005 1:54:14 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: onyx

Wish they would do us a favor and vote, instead of keeping us all on a lurch.


6 posted on 04/19/2005 1:57:36 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: watsonfellow; All

Im so sick of watching the television CNN and the BBC - the extreme bias and endless whining for a liberal pope is just sickening.

Do people understand that these pleas are pleas asking for a pope who is more secular and exactly what that means in the overall picture?

We are at war FRiends!


7 posted on 04/19/2005 2:01:00 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: watsonfellow

Well, they do not have to take two votes before Noon.
They are "permitted" two votes before Noon, right?

I mean, what if the second vote yielded no winner,
but the third did? Do they burn the second ballots
and send up black smoke, then follow it with white
smoke on the third, or just burn the second ballots
with the third and let both burn white?




8 posted on 04/19/2005 2:01:06 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: watsonfellow

Pick a pontiff...your new game show brought to you by Merf Griffin....


9 posted on 04/19/2005 2:01:31 AM PDT by Route101
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To: onyx

Let both burn white.

From what I've heard on EWTN, here is how it works.

Two votes in the morning.

Two votes in the evening.

If the Pontiff is elected in the first ballot (morning or evening) then the result is announced right away (which means that we are now on the third ballot of the conclave, second of the day). If the Pontiff is elected on the second ballot (morning or evening) then both groups of ballots are burned white.

If no Pontiff is elected on both ballots of any one voting period, they burn black.


10 posted on 04/19/2005 2:05:17 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: onyx

Did you see the Jimmy Kimmel show last night? They claim to have a hiden camera in the Conclave, even call it the Conclave Cam.

They kept going back to it during the show; the first time they showed it, the Cardinals were doing "rock, scissors, paper" to pick the new pope; the last time, it showed the Cardinals doing potato sack races.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 2:05:57 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: watsonfellow

Are you saying that we are already on the third vote for today?


12 posted on 04/19/2005 2:06:59 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

No, I have never watched that program.
Was it funny?

I am about to crash.
IF you're awake and there's white smoke,
call my cell ok? I'll leave it on tonight.


13 posted on 04/19/2005 2:07:27 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Howlin

LOL...hope Brit shows it on his show today!


14 posted on 04/19/2005 2:09:16 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: onyx

Yes, it was funny. I LOL'd.

I see all the channels have their "Chimney Cams" up and running.


15 posted on 04/19/2005 2:09:19 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

No, we've already had the first vote of today (second of the conclave). I believe in fifty minutes we'll see what the results of the second vote of today (third vote of the conclave).


16 posted on 04/19/2005 2:09:57 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Howlin

No votes yet today.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 2:10:37 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Howlin


50 more minutes.
M-a-y-b-e I can hang in.


18 posted on 04/19/2005 2:10:41 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Howlin

Keep me awake and laughing... tell Howlin about the idiot from
yesterday who "missed" the black smoke and tell what you posted to him.


19 posted on 04/19/2005 2:13:42 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

That's what Fox is saying; 6 a.m. EST.

But he said something about them not burning their ballots on their first vote of the day if they don't elect a pope.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 2:14:13 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Um no. The first vote was at three this morning (eastern standard time).

That did not lead to an election of a pontiff.

They are now on the second vote of the second day (morning session).

It's helpful to look at it like this.

First Day (Monday)
Evening Vote: No pope.

Second Day (Tuesday)
Morning Session
Vote One: No Pontiff
Vote Two: ?

Evening Session
Vote One: ?
Vote Two: ?


21 posted on 04/19/2005 2:15:00 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: onyx

he goes "Oh I missed the smoke!" and I said it was black you idiot, come back tomorrow, meanwhile turn your TV to FOX, they're replaying the black smoke!


22 posted on 04/19/2005 2:15:15 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Howlin

They're permitted two ballots before NOON.
The thinking is that they've voted once already
and are voting again now -- that we'll either see
black smoke come Noon time or white from the third ballot.


23 posted on 04/19/2005 2:16:22 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: watsonfellow

Don't tell me the obvious...It's obvious your getting ahead of yourself, and I'm not.


24 posted on 04/19/2005 2:16:24 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: watsonfellow

Eat your hat if there's white smoke in another 43 minutes.


25 posted on 04/19/2005 2:18:23 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: onyx

I'm confused; can somebody explain it in "early morning" terms?

Black smoke at noon or white from the third ballot?


26 posted on 04/19/2005 2:19:54 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I am confused by your anger.

All I've written is that we're now on the third vote of the conclave (second of the day) and that means the first two votes of the conclave were inconclusive.

Why would I have to eat my hat if there is white smoke in thirty nine minutes?

If there is, then that means they elected one on the third vote of the conclave, second of the day.

Please re-read my posts as you are not making any sense.


27 posted on 04/19/2005 2:21:05 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Howlin

It can be either white or black smoke at any given time. Some of these FReepers have been listening to too much MSM jockeying.


28 posted on 04/19/2005 2:22:03 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Howlin

They are permitted 2 morning votes before Noon.

People here think that the first morning vote has been cast and tallied, and that it did not elect a Pope.

So, when the second morning vote is cast and tallied, if still no Pope
is elected, then the smoke from both ballots willl be black.

IF, however, the second morning vote produces a Pope, then the failed first'morning ballot will be burned with the succesful second ballot and the smoke will be white.

I think they should "blow smoke" for each ballot, but I'm not in charge. :)


29 posted on 04/19/2005 2:23:07 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: watsonfellow
I'm not angry. You're just assuming they voted no on ballot two. They may send up white smoke at noon. No one knows, including you.
30 posted on 04/19/2005 2:23:19 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: onyx

Fox News: "Church in Crisis, Day 2"


31 posted on 04/19/2005 2:25:48 AM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

But white is yes, no? :-)


32 posted on 04/19/2005 2:26:57 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: onyx

They're not burning ballots anyway; they bought special paper that burns black or white.


33 posted on 04/19/2005 2:27:49 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

No, then I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.

When I wrote "second vote" I thought I made it clear that I meant "Second vote of the conclave/first vote of the day"

The vote we are on now (which could very well be successful) would be the "third vote of the conclave/second of the day"

Hope that clears it up!

I'm hoping for a successful vote in half n hour as well!


34 posted on 04/19/2005 2:28:42 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: ambrose


FGS!
What the hell is that all about?
No media agenda, huh?


35 posted on 04/19/2005 2:28:50 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Howlin

White smoke says "we have a new Pope" along with the ringing of the bells.


36 posted on 04/19/2005 2:29:35 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: watsonfellow

It would help if you just numbered the votes on THIS day.


37 posted on 04/19/2005 2:29:47 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: watsonfellow

I know what you meant, they're on the third vote of the conclave, but I just go by the vote of the day which is #2.


38 posted on 04/19/2005 2:29:57 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: onyx

No no no... I'm just envisioning the headlines and ominous music CNN/Fox/MSNC will play, if this drags on for more than a week...


39 posted on 04/19/2005 2:30:01 AM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: Howlin; onyx

If they burn the ballots, h ow can they have a recount?


40 posted on 04/19/2005 2:30:52 AM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: Howlin

white smoke + tolling bells means a new pope. if we see smoke rising and no bells, it's a no vote.


41 posted on 04/19/2005 2:31:11 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Ok, ok, mea culpa.

I never meant to imply that I knew what the outcome of the second vote is/was/will be.

Jeesh, this is a confusing thread!

ha ha.

To clear things up.

We are all agreed that the first ballot of today did was not successful?

And they are now on the second ballot (of the day)?

Which we shall shortly find out about.


42 posted on 04/19/2005 2:31:54 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Howlin; watsonfellow

Yesterday there was one vote.
Black smoke = no new Pope.

Today we "can" have two more votes before Noon
and two more after the lunch break.

We are speculating that they're on vote #3 right now,
(the second vote of this morning) but since they're old
and the ritual is specific and time comsuming, I am
thinking they could still be on their first morning vote... however unlikely.


43 posted on 04/19/2005 2:33:08 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: ambrose


OH...LOL-LOL-LOL.
I thought FNC had really gone hysterical.


44 posted on 04/19/2005 2:34:14 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

Yes you are correct.

For all we know, they could still be eating donuts and chatting.

Having taken no votes yet.


45 posted on 04/19/2005 2:34:18 AM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

Only you assume the first vote of the day was unsuccessful, I'm saying wait it out Noon time in Rome, for white or black smoke, that will be your indicator. They aren't required to burn ballots after every vote, but they have to burn 2 times a day.


46 posted on 04/19/2005 2:34:22 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: ambrose

LOL!
No recounts -- everybody counts along as each vote is read and tallied.


47 posted on 04/19/2005 2:34:59 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx; Howlin

My guess is, they're still tallying the votes from the first vote today.


48 posted on 04/19/2005 2:35:44 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: watsonfellow

And we ought to be drinking if this continues.
Maybe I already am...lol.


49 posted on 04/19/2005 2:35:45 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

It is a good thing Algore isn't a Cardinal.


50 posted on 04/19/2005 2:35:45 AM PDT by ambrose (....)
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