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Robert Byrd Attempts to Re-Write Filibuster History (Novak rips Byrd on hypocrisy)
The National Ledger ^ | April 21, 2005 | Robert Novak

Posted on 04/21/2005 5:39:17 AM PDT by Coastal

While re-inventing himself at age 87 in his 47th year as a senator, Robert C. Byrd has denied his clear past use of parliamentary maneuver to force majority rule in the Senate. That fits the broader phenomenon of Democrats reinventing the senatorial filibuster, historically notorious for protecting racial segregation, into a weapon of liberalism.

Byrd's use of a simple majority rule to make Senate rules fit the wishes of dominant Democrats during the 1970s and 1980s was revealed by legal scholars in January. It took Byrd's lawyers until March 20 for him to claim he did not do what he did. In fact, there is no doubt Byrd led the Democrats in championing majority rights when they had a majority.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalledger.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: conscienceofthekkk; crossburner; filibuster; imperialdragon; novak; robertbyrd; sheets; ussenate; whitehood

1 posted on 04/21/2005 5:39:17 AM PDT by Coastal
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To: Coastal

Talk talk talk talk talk. Until the GOP actually smacks down these liars, it's all just talk. We don't need another column to tell us the liberals are liars. We know that already. We need someone to actually do something about it besides talk.


2 posted on 04/21/2005 5:41:24 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Coastal
Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! Pretty!

3 posted on 04/21/2005 5:46:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Huck
We don't need another column to tell us the liberals are liars.

Well, we also don't need another post blaming this mess on the GOP. But you never hesitate to give us one.

4 posted on 04/21/2005 5:50:25 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coastal
He since has taken a rapid trip to the left, with the radical MoveOn.org raising big money for his 2006 re-election.


5 posted on 04/21/2005 5:50:57 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Huck
Talk talk talk talk talk. Until the GOP actually smacks down these liars, it's all just talk. We don't need another column to tell us the liberals are liars. We know that already. We need someone to actually do something about it besides talk.

Exactimente!

This Republican majority is turning out to be the weakest, most impotent majority in history. Especially in the Senate, the party seems to be growing more and more dysfunctional. Lugar loses his party members in a committee; Frist can't get committee approved judicial nominees to the floor. And the Dems continue to run roughshod over the 'majority' Republicans. It is shameful [that the majority Republicans don't seem to know how to act like the majority and keep rolling over for the Dems].
6 posted on 04/21/2005 5:52:43 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Coastal
Ah yes, Senator Byrd...doing what he does best to keep his constituents back home proud of who they have sent to Washington.

AND, Senator Rockefeller enjoys the same...

All you West Virginians must be so VERY PROUD of your representation in the U.S.Senate!

7 posted on 04/21/2005 5:52:48 AM PDT by harpu
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To: harpu
All you West Virginians must be so VERY PROUD of your representation in the U.S.Senate!

I can't speak for West Virginians as I don't live there. I live in Illinois and I can assure you that I didn't help send Durbin and Obama to the senate.

8 posted on 04/21/2005 5:56:58 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Coop
Well, we also don't need another post blaming this mess on the GOP. But you never hesitate to give us one.

What is that goo between your ears anyway? Shouldn't you be at the end of the driveway waiting for the bus, or are you in PM kindergarten now?

Show me where I blame this mess on the GOP? For anyone with even a second grade reading level, it's obvious what I am saying is that more talk is not helpful; we need action. That's not "blaming" the mess on them. It's saying that words won't get us OUT of the mess. Now go eat a pop tart. Kids should be seen, not heard.

9 posted on 04/21/2005 5:57:49 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: TomGuy

It just seems like it's past $hit or get off the pot time with this issue. How many times and ways can it be analyzed. The battlefield is set. We've all chosen sides. Let's get it on already.


10 posted on 04/21/2005 5:59:28 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Graybeard58
You have my condolences but Durbin and Osama Obama are still your problem to manage with whatever it takes from you or anyone you can influence to do the same.
11 posted on 04/21/2005 6:01:15 AM PDT by harpu
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To: Huck
To: GretchenMM

Laura's so pretty. I like her a lot.

39 posted on 04/20/2005 6:24:44 PM EDT by Huck


Hey Huck, if you want, I can pass her a note for you after recess!
12 posted on 04/21/2005 6:03:18 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: TomGuy

I've heard mixed reviews on Lugar. Obviously, this nomination vote has been a disaster.


13 posted on 04/21/2005 6:04:07 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Coop
If that's supposed to embarrass me, it doesn't. She's a lovely, charming woman. I think she makes a fine first lady.

She is pretty. And I do like her a lot. Now, why don't you stop making an @ss of yourself and stop mucking up this thread.

14 posted on 04/21/2005 6:07:30 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
Oh, you know us kids, always picking our noses and mucking things up... and using curse words... and calling people names.

If I'm being too subtle, find an adult and have them explain it to you.

15 posted on 04/21/2005 6:09:20 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coastal
GOP Senators prefer to call the nuclear option the "Byrd option" precisely because of this.
16 posted on 04/21/2005 6:16:02 AM PDT by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: Coop

Not to get off topic, but you never answered my question. Where did I blame the GOP for the mess?


17 posted on 04/21/2005 6:22:55 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Coop
Not to get off topic, but you never answered my question. Where did I blame the GOP for the mess?

Next, Huck'll tell you that you can't read... ;-)

18 posted on 04/21/2005 6:29:26 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Huck
What we have now is called in the theory of warfare, "preparing the battlefield." On the last Senate, Frist had a false majority. On paper there was a Republican majority, but when push came to shove, squish Republicans would run for the tall grass.

In the new Senate, the squish Republicans are still there. But there may be enough real Republicans to hold the majority. That's step one.

The next step is to get on the floor of the Committee a judicial nominee who is ideologically correct for the President, but hardest of all for the Democrats to sabotage. That lead nominee is Janice Brown, from the Supreme Court of California. That step will take place this very afternoon when Judge Brown is voted out of Committee and onto the Senate floor.

There may be a third step. Frist may propose in the Senate the Lieberman declining-vote filibuster. That plan, put forward more than a decade ago, would drop the votes required for a filibuster in stages, until majority vote applied. The present Senator Lieberman will probably vote against the Lieberman plan, clearly exposing to all the hypocrisy of the Senate Democrats.

Then it will be time to pull the trigger. That time is now about two weeks away. I, too, wish it were done and accomplished yesterday. But the battlefield must be prepared for victory.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "A Triple Black Dog Double Dare to Infinity."

19 posted on 04/21/2005 6:31:08 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Graybeard58; Coastal
But ... West "by God" Virginia has some of the very best roads and highways in the country ... a la "jobs programs" via Byrd.

And, imagine, Boston's "leaking" Big Dig ... another "jobs program" a la Tip and Teddy ... (of which 80% Federal funding came from all US taxpayers) ...

20 posted on 04/21/2005 6:32:59 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: harpu
still your problem to manage with whatever it takes from you or anyone you can influence to do the same.

Which is exactly what I do. More reason that I don't deserve to be painted with that broad brush any more than the conservative West Virginians on this forum do.

.

21 posted on 04/21/2005 6:33:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Huck wants the Republicans to exercise the Beorthnoth option.


22 posted on 04/21/2005 6:36:09 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I love Janice Rogers Brown. She's the pick of the litter, if you ask me. As far as I can tell the battlefield's been set for sometime. All they have to do now is do it.


23 posted on 04/21/2005 6:42:03 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: an amused spectator

Seems to me you've got it precisely backwards.


24 posted on 04/21/2005 6:44:38 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Coastal
From the article:

Usually, however, liberals were aligned against the filibuster, the bulwark preventing civil rights legislation until 1957.

While whatever he means by 'liberals' may have opposed the filibusters of civil rights legislation, it was democrats who conducted them.

25 posted on 04/21/2005 6:44:47 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Congressman Billybob
That step will take place this very afternoon when Judge Brown is voted out of Committee and onto the Senate floor.

That's what I'm talking about. Today is good. That's all I am saying is it's time to move already.

26 posted on 04/21/2005 6:46:23 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Graybeard58
You still have my condolences (as do the rest of FReepers who demonRATs doing most of their representations in DC)...but I would move given your representation in Washington!

Personally, here in Texas, I write three or four letters per incident when our RINO, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, drifts her "moderate butt" to the LEFT.

If you need more stamps, or more bandwidth for emails, I suggest you organize a 'bake sale' and a posse of volunteers - BUT you folks in Illinois got a serious problem in DC.

27 posted on 04/21/2005 6:52:59 AM PDT by harpu
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To: Huck; Congressman Billybob; Coop
Seems to me you've got it precisely backwards.

Explanation of the "Beorthnoth option":

However, in reaction to the "Wyatt Earp" thoughts on fair fighting that have been expressed here, I would like to quote what Tolkien himself said on the topic. This is from The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son, 'Beorhtnoth's Death'; it describes the reaction of a nobleman to a battle situation which seemed to favor his side: The Northmen and the English were thus separated by an arm of the river; filled by the incoming tide, it could only be crossed by a 'bridge' or causeway, difficult to force in the face of a determined defence. The defence was resolute. But the vikings knew, or so it would seem, what manner of man they had to deal with: they asked for leave to cross the ford, so that a fair fight could be joined. Beorhtnoth accepted the challenge and allowed them to cross. This act of pride and misplaced chivalry (bolding mine) proved fatal. Beorthnoth was slain and the English routed; but the duke's household... fought on, untill they all fell dead beside their lord.

Huck: Talk talk talk talk talk. Until the GOP actually smacks down these liars, it's all just talk. We don't need another column to tell us the liberals are liars. We know that already. We need someone to actually do something about it besides talk.

The good Congressman already explained why we're waiting on the other side of the causeway, Huck.

You counsel action NOW, to incite the simples on our side. The wise warrior waits.

28 posted on 04/21/2005 6:55:37 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: harpu
you folks in Illinois got a serious problem in DC.

It's no comfort but we are not alone. New York comes to mind. Cosevatives there have to live with the Hillary/Schumer combo.

29 posted on 04/21/2005 7:03:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Coastal

Why don't us Republicans insist on
--> real filibusters only <--
for nominations?

By that I mean, a 'stand up and talk' filibustter,
not this 'threat to oppose unanimous-consent'
type of crap.


30 posted on 04/21/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: Coastal

bump


31 posted on 04/21/2005 7:08:42 AM PDT by fso301
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To: an amused spectator
In the story, the so-called "wise warrior" waited, let them cross, and lost.

Did you see this?

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042105/santorum.html

32 posted on 04/21/2005 8:00:51 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
Where did I blame the GOP for the mess?

You're correct, I neglected to answer your question. In the above post, you did not blame the GOP for this mess.

33 posted on 04/21/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop

Thanks.


34 posted on 04/21/2005 8:14:14 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
In the story, the so-called "wise warrior" waited, let them cross, and lost.

You should take up "reading for comprehension" one of these days. It's fun, and easy!

Your act wears thin.

35 posted on 04/21/2005 9:41:06 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: an amused spectator

Go back to your Hobbit fantasies, Beowulf.


36 posted on 04/21/2005 9:48:35 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck

Winston Churchill recounts this very same story in his History of the English Speaking Peoples. Don't know, but I suspect it is true and NOT part of Tolkins fiction books.


37 posted on 04/21/2005 9:59:32 AM PDT by kgdallen (Reality man)
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To: kgdallen

It's from Beowulf, the old nordic poem. But the belligerent poster posted Tolkien's remarks on the passage, hence my Hobbit reference.


38 posted on 04/21/2005 10:02:18 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck; kgdallen
It's from Beowulf, the old nordic poem

No, it's not. As I told you earlier, Huck, you should take up "reading for comprehension". But you're not really here for that, are you, Huck? I know the smell of your posts, having had vast experience with the type over the years here at Free Republic.

kgdallen - the snippet I posted is about a short story written by Tolkien called The Homecoming of Beorthnoth, Beorthelm's Son. Huck, the semiliterate dissembler, appears to believe that Tolkien, a reknowned historical linguist and scholar, was "just about hobbits". Huck is, of course, wrong - on this as well as many other things.

*chuckle* Tolkien actually caught some crap from his fellow-scholars when his Lord Of The Rings became an unintended best-seller.

Huck wants us to emulate Beorthnoth and invite the Democommies across the causeway "for a fair fight". I prefer to keep the poisonous snakes at arm's length, myself. ;-)

39 posted on 04/21/2005 10:39:04 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: an amused spectator

Keep winking while we keep losing.


40 posted on 04/21/2005 10:52:16 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: an amused spectator
Huck wants us to emulate Beorthnoth and invite the Democommies across the causeway "for a fair fight". I prefer to keep the poisonous snakes at arm's length, myself. ;-)

And this is where you are totally wrong. Letting them across the causeway is what the GOP has been doing and continues to do. Remember when we "shared" the majority? That was the GOP letting them across. This ongoing debate that never ends? Letting them across. Granted, it's probably out of fear, not hubris, but the end result is the same. You, and the GOP Senate, are too feckless to do anything. Maybe they should take up reading obscure fantasy poems. You don't keep a poisonous snake at arms length. You kill it.

41 posted on 04/21/2005 10:58:05 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: an amused spectator; kgdallen
I guess El Rushbo doesn't read Hobbit poems either:

Rush: "I don't know what to say. This is utter incompetence."

42 posted on 04/21/2005 3:30:50 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
Rush transcript
43 posted on 04/21/2005 3:31:58 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
Those who don't know s**t are condemned to live it.

Rush is an entertainer, and you're a buffoon. I'll wait for CBB's predition to come to pass.

44 posted on 04/21/2005 7:43:19 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: TomGuy

Nancy Pelosi's Trip to Puerto Rico paid by lobbyists - a few thousand dollars

Hillary hiding hard money in her Senate Campaign reports and getting her fundraiser Jim Rosen indicted - $1 million

Robert Byrd changing the filabuster rule 4 times to eliminate minority rights while he was Majority Leader ----Priceless


45 posted on 04/21/2005 10:30:00 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: solidsouth
Enough with the KKK bullcrap already. Byrd has time and time again repudiated his youthful indiscretion's. At the time he was simply a product of his environment. Byrd is now one of the most revered and respected men in congress. He is truely the "Conscience of the Senate".

And you are truly a troll. The three remarks you have made in your short time here are all of the troll variety.

48 posted on 06/21/2005 2:14:44 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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