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[Indiana] House passes daylight-saving time bill
Terre Haute Tribune-Star ^ | April 29,2005 | By Mike Smith/Associated Press/Indianapolis

Posted on 04/29/2005 5:24:20 AM PDT by Military family member

House passes daylight-saving time bill Updated 12:23a.m. Friday, April 29

By Mike Smith/Associated Press/Indianapolis

The Indiana House gave final legislative approval Thursday to make all of Indiana join 47 other states in observing daylight-saving time, capping three decades of contentious debate.

Proponents of the clock change, who failed to win passage of the bill earlier in the day, cheered wildly after it passed 51-46 on a second tally taken shortly after 11:30 p.m. EST. It passed the Senate 28-22 on Wednesday and now heads to Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, who made it a top priority and is sure to sign it.

The law would take effect next April, when all states except most of Arizona and all of Hawaii would again observe the time change.

House Speaker Brian Bosma held the voting board open for several minutes during the second vote until Rep. Troy Woodruff, a freshman Republican from Vincennes, supplied the 51st "yea" needed for passage. Bosma then closed the machine and announced the bill's passage.

"I can tell you that the rest of the nation, the rest of the world, knows that Indiana doesn't get it," Bosma said during debate. "Now is the day to tell the rest of the world that we are willing to step into the 21st century."

Woodruff voted against the bill earlier and initially cast a no vote Thursday night. His district borders Illinois and a pocket of counties in southwestern Indiana that are in the Central time zone and observe daylight time. Many residents in the western parts of Indiana oppose Eastern daylight time, since it would put them an hour ahead of their Central time neighbors all year.

Woodruff said he changed his vote because the issue had become too partisan and he wanted to move on to bigger matters such as the two-year state budget. He suggested that his vote might be politically risky, but said he was prepared to return home and explain his vote to constituents.

"Some things are more important than re-election," he said.

Daniels spokeswoman Jane Jankowski said the governor spoke with top House sponsors by phone after the vote and extended his gratitude to supporters. "It's a great day," Jankowski said.

Efforts to make the time switch have failed more than two dozen times since most of the state's 92 counties opted out of the time change under state and federal legislation passed in the early 1970s. Its path to passage was rough and rocky all session long, but Daniels lobbied hard for the bill because he said it would eliminate confusion and boost commerce. Dozens of businesses and their lobbying groups backed the bill, saying the current system causes mix-ups over airline flights, delivery times and conference calls.

The House voted 49-48 against the bill earlier Thursday. That vote, however, did not kill the legislation because it takes a constitutional majority of 51 votes to pass a bill or defeat one outright. Seventy-seven counties in the Eastern time zone portion of Indiana remain on standard time year round, while five in southeastern Indiana ignore state and federal law and change their clocks. Five counties each in the northwest and southwest pockets of the state are in the Central zone and observe daylight time.

The legislation would require that Daniels and the General Assembly petition the U.S. Department of Transportation, which regulates times zones, to hold hearings to determine if more Indiana counties should be moved to the Central zone.

The request would have to be made within days of Daniels' signing the bill, and he has said the hearing process could begin within months.

Republican Rep. Jerry Torr of Carmel, the bill's primary sponsor in the House, argued for the time change, saying the state hurts itself by not following the same time as most of the country.

"We put up a roadblock that shouldn't be there," Torr said. Adoption of daylight time "is a signal to the rest of the world that we are ready to do business."

dblock that shouldn't be there," Torr said. Adoption of daylight time "is a signal to the rest of the world that we are ready to do business."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: dst; indiana; timesavers
I spoke with Gov. Daniels at a local town hall meeting two weeks ago. He is certain to sign bill.
1 posted on 04/29/2005 5:24:22 AM PDT by Military family member
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To: Military family member

Has Bush indicated whether or not he's in favor of the expansion of DST in the energy bill?


2 posted on 04/29/2005 5:25:47 AM PDT by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Perdogg

That I haven't heard. How would it work?


3 posted on 04/29/2005 5:28:26 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Military family member

I'd be ticked if I lived in Indiana. Daylight savings time sucks.


4 posted on 04/29/2005 5:32:33 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infidel since 1970.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Living outside of DST when everyone else is on it sucks.


5 posted on 04/29/2005 5:38:57 AM PDT by xusafflyer (Keep paying those taxes California. Mexico thanks you.)
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To: Military family member

Basically the proposal is to expand DST by two months by starting in March and ending in November.


6 posted on 04/29/2005 5:40:35 AM PDT by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Military family member

Gonna need a patch to a bunch of software ;)


7 posted on 04/29/2005 5:41:18 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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To: Military family member

And another bit of texture in our national character is lost in the pursuit of the Holy Grail of bland conformity.

If Washington DC demanded that all clocks run backward on Fridays, half the states would immediately work on rewiring clock motors without giving it a second thought.


8 posted on 04/29/2005 5:43:03 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Well, you're right. It's a device invented by Ben Franklin to save candles. The problem has always been, in my humble opinion, not that Indiana doesn't have Daylight Savings Time, but that everyone else does.

I still say, for the record, that Indiana turn its clocks ahead 25 hours instead of 1 hour, then we'll be a day ahead of the world

9 posted on 04/29/2005 5:43:26 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Military family member

I work for a transportation company that makes two runs from Iowa to Indy every day. The time differences cause a lot of confusion and missed connections. Of course just about the time everyone gets used to it, it changes.


10 posted on 04/29/2005 5:43:27 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's the difference between Joseph Goebbels and Michael Moore? About 150 pounds.)
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To: gridlock
There are several counties that have set their own clocks according to local law. These counties will now have to conform with the rest....

I want to see those laws enforced,

11 posted on 04/29/2005 5:45:04 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Military family member
We also ought to be on Central Time.

Why in the world are we in the same time zone as NY, Boston, Miami, and DC, rather than Chicago?

12 posted on 04/29/2005 5:45:52 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: CrazyIvan
I know it does cause trouble, but what I fine truly silly in the entire debate is that for the 30 years that Indiana has argued over this issue, not a single study was done to show the pros or cons of DST. Every single argument is based on anadotal evidence.

This is from the state that boasts the university that gave us both B.F. Skinner and lab rat mazes and the Kinsey report.

Go figure

13 posted on 04/29/2005 5:48:33 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Military family member

Welcome to the party, Hoosiers!

My wife's originally from Richmond, IN - she liked not having to worry about DST while she was there.


14 posted on 04/29/2005 5:49:49 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Why yes, I am "narrow minded", thank you! See Matthew 7:14.)
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To: Perdogg
Basically the proposal is to expand DST by two months by starting in March and ending in November.

Under the proposal, Daylight Savings Time would be in effect for more than half the year, and would become the new "normal". Maybe we can call Wintertime "Daylight Wastings Time" or something...

15 posted on 04/29/2005 5:51:38 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: cicero's_son
As I understand it, It would extend daylight even later into the evenings.

I live in Terre Haute, right on the boarder and 1/3 of my staff and my customes live in Illinois. It's going to make a lot of work for me.

16 posted on 04/29/2005 5:53:54 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

But it will bring us new business. It will just flood into the state now. Businesses that have no trouble conducting business with other business in Europe or Asia but can't get the time in Indiana.


17 posted on 04/29/2005 5:58:13 AM PDT by pas
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To: Military family member

Sounds like half the state wants to be on Illinois time and the other half on Ohio, eastern time.

The state seems rather split 50/50.

This may not be a problem elsewhere where time zone borders are much less populated. Much of the central to mountain time zone split is sparsly populated. Same from mountain to pacific. But eastern to central is most populated in Indiana.


18 posted on 04/29/2005 6:01:59 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: George from New England

ie daylight vs standard is more of a central vs eastern change, that toggles in April and October.


19 posted on 04/29/2005 6:03:21 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: cicero's_son

I will be ticked if they make us change to Chicago time. We are just as economically tied to Cincinnati and New York as we are Chicago--even more so in my case. I don't want it to be daylight at 4:00 am and dark at 4:00 pm when the kids walk home from school. It's next to impossible to get anything done outside in the evening after work. When I was a kid we could play outside until late in the evening. If it gets dark even earlier, the kids will have even less outside time. It's no wonder they are all couch potatoes. They can't play out after dark.


20 posted on 04/29/2005 6:06:58 AM PDT by Samwise (We apologize for the inconvenience.)
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To: George from New England
Actually the split east to east is fairly even. The true population split in North to South.

The time zone line at one time went down US 31 which splits the state in half. That's the overall problem, because we straddle the division line, half want to go central and half want to go East. In one version of the bill, those counties on boarders could stay with central time if so desired. I don't know if that stayed with this version.

Gov Daniels now wants to get the federal government to reexamine where the time-zone lines are drawn. He believes they need to be readjusted.

21 posted on 04/29/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by Military family member (Bless the Legacy of John Paul II)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I knew this would eventually happen. I LIKED it the way it was, but then I don't run a business that has to deal with the east coast.

One thing that is requird is that there will be federal hearings on whether Indana will be moved to the Central Time Zone (which is where we were until 1969).

So now the question is whether we will be on Eastern or Central Daylight.

22 posted on 04/29/2005 6:26:45 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: arasina

Wow! Are you ex-cited??


23 posted on 04/29/2005 6:28:19 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Miss Marple

Which would you prefer, Miss Marple? EST or CST?


24 posted on 04/29/2005 6:31:17 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Well, at one time I would have said Central, because then the TV news would be on at 10 instead of 11. However, since I don't watch TV news anymore, and since all of our local stations delay everything so that news is 11 even in the summer (so that they can pretend they are in sync with New York) it doesn't matter.

I think maybe Eastern because that way I will still have some daylight in the evening during the winter.

Other than that, I don't have a preference. My husband's work doesn't deal with other states, and I have no vested interest in Central.

25 posted on 04/29/2005 6:37:17 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Military family member
The first I heard of the Indiana time zones was on an episode of The West Wing. In that episode, some of the People Who Matter (PWMs) slumming around Indiana wound up missing an flight because they got confused on the time zones. They spent a good five minutes marvelling about how all those hicks out in bumble_ _ _ _ were so backward they were setting their clocks on a different schedule than Washington DC, where all the PWMs live. All of this was done completely without irony. It simply never occured to the writers that local control of Daylight Savings Time might not be a completely backward idea.

I gotta tell you, anything that causes that much ire to the writers of The West Wing is a good thing in my book!

26 posted on 04/29/2005 8:25:30 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Perdogg
there really has not been much discussion on this. it was an amendment offered to the US Energy Bill in the House by Rep. Upton of Michigan. It passed to the Senate and is expected to be approved.

www.house.gov/upton

or Immediate Release Contact: Sean C. Bonyun
April 21, 2005 (202) 225-3761

Upton Daylight Saving Extension Passes U.S. House
Spring Forward in March, Fall Back in November
Extending DST in the 1970's saved the energy equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil a day

WASHINGTON, DC - The House of Representatives today passed sweeping energy legislation that included Congressman Fred Upton's (R-MI) amendment to extend Daylight Saving Time (DST) by two months. Upton's bipartisan amendment, co-sponsored by Ed Markey (D-MA), extends DST from the first Sunday in March to the last Sunday in November and also mandates the Department of Energy to study the impact of DST on the nation's energy consumption. The bipartisan Energy Policy Act of 2005, H.R. 6, passed by a vote of 249 to 183.

"For four years, we have been working on comprehensive energy legislation, and I am confident that at the end of the day, folks will put the best interests of the nation ahead of petty politics and help get this bill to the President to be signed into law," said Upton. "The sweeping energy legislation that passed the House today includes numerous provisions to ensure that all Americans have access to more efficient, affordable and environmentally friendly energy that they expect and deserve. My daylight saving amendment is one small piece of the overall energy package, and with rising energy costs, every bit of conservation helps."

Extending daylight in the 1970's saved the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil a day, or one percent of the nation's energy consumption. Taking the savings figure from the mid 1970s - 100,000 barrels of oil a day - and multiplying that by $50 a barrel for 60 days, the savings amounts to $300 million for the extended months.

"With the potential savings greater than $300 million each year, extending Daylight Saving Time is a common sense approach that will conserve energy as well as add a little more light to everyone's day," said Upton. "Not only will Americans have more daylight at their disposal during March and November days, we will also be keeping our energy consumption as a nation down."

There is historical precedent to Upton's amendment. Following the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo, Congress extended DST for two years in hopes of saving additional energy. In 1974, DST lasted ten months and lasted for eight months in 1975, rather than the normal six months (then, May to October). The U.S. Department of Transportation (DoT), which has jurisdiction over DST, studied the results of the experiment. Based on consumption figures for 1974 and 1975, DoT reported that observing daylight time in March and April saved the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil each day, or approximately 1 percent of the nation's energy consumption.
27 posted on 04/29/2005 8:31:35 AM PDT by 4thygipper
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To: 4thygipper

boooooo!


28 posted on 04/29/2005 8:52:01 AM PDT by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Samwise

How about we apply a little logic to this baloney. The Earth is divided into 24 time zones, If you followed these zones central time would start in the middle of Ohio.

If we don't want to follow the meridians let's just have one time zone for the whole damn country.


29 posted on 04/29/2005 8:57:06 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (St. Louis bring back Torre.)
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To: Samwise

How about we apply a little logic to this baloney. The Earth is divided into 24 time zones, If you followed these zones central time would start in the middle of Ohio.

If we don't want to follow the meridians let's just have one time zone for the whole damn country.


30 posted on 04/29/2005 8:59:01 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (St. Louis bring back Torre.)
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To: wordsofearnest

Re: Your tagline...

Joe's a little busy right now. Maybe he'll be free by August...


31 posted on 04/29/2005 9:08:27 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: wordsofearnest
How about we apply a little logic to this baloney?

You don't have to agree with me, but you also don't need to be rude. I understand why people near Chicago want to be with Chiacgo. Why can't you understand why some of us want more daylight in the evening hours? We are no longer an agricultural society. Daylight Savings Time is also energy efficient.

32 posted on 04/29/2005 9:30:09 AM PDT by Samwise (We apologize for the inconvenience.)
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To: Miss Marple
I think maybe Eastern because that way I will still have some daylight in the evening during the winter.

This is what we want--and where we are, we won't have to change time zones. I don't care where the western edge of the state is, as long as they don't force us to go with them.

33 posted on 04/29/2005 9:39:30 AM PDT by Samwise (We apologize for the inconvenience.)
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To: wordsofearnest
If we don't want to follow the meridians let's just have one time zone for the whole damn country.

Ahh Hell, let's just simplify things and make the whole world observe Zulu/Grenwich Mean/whatever they call it now, Time.

34 posted on 05/01/2005 3:32:56 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: gridlock
Under the proposal, Daylight Savings Time would be in effect for more than half the year, and would become the new "normal".

Maybe someday they'll just have it [DST] year round.

Indiana was actually the forunner in this area but we just recently took a step backwards.

We used to be on Central DST YEAR ROUND and it was great, but now because there are some people that are too damn stupid to figure out what time it is; we have to mess with clocks twice a year.

I alone have at least 12 different clocks I'll have to reset, and that doesn't include the one clock that's more finicky about it; the body clock.

I lived in FLA and played the DST game and it SUCKED!

Hey Mitch, you lost my vote man. There was a hell of a lot more important issues on your plate than messing with clocks!

35 posted on 05/01/2005 3:39:45 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: AFreeBird
Ahh Hell, let's just simplify things and make the whole world observe Zulu/Grenwich Mean/whatever they call it now, Time.

Being an amateur radio operator, that would be a capital idea. B-) Or do what Stalin did in the USSR, he ran EVERYTHING on Moscow time, but he screwed it up royally because in the winter, the USSR had DST and in the summer they had DST plus one hour. B-P
36 posted on 05/01/2005 3:40:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - Any Questions?)
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