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Newfound Dinosaur a Transitional Creature
Las Vegas Sun (AP) ^ | May 04, 2005 | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

Caught in the act of evolution, the odd-looking, feathered dinosaur was becoming more vegetarian, moving away from its meat-eating ancestors.

It had the built-for-speed legs of meat-eaters, but was developing the bigger belly of plant-eaters. It had already lost the serrated teeth needed for tearing flesh. Those were replaced with the smaller, duller vegetarian variety.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; transitionalfossil
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To: JohnnyM
As long as you ignore the ordering of creation, move where things were said to be created, that woman came from man, and define day to mean a long period of time that somehow have evenings and mornings, then yeah Genesis fits in just fine.

Since there are two creation stories in Genesis, you tell me which one is the correct one.

Yes, I've heard the interpretation that the second story that begins at Genesis 2:4 is actually just a retelling of the first, and "they're really just one story". Sure.

Bottom line, different people interpret it differently. Pope John Paul II interprets it like I do, and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution.

Practically no one has the same interpretation of the Bible. If they had the same interpretation, then there'd be one Bible denomination, not hundreds. Or thousands.

The evidence found in Gods creation supports me. Since by definition Gods word and Gods creation cannot contradict each other, then my interpretation of Genesis must be correct.

421 posted on 05/05/2005 10:38:22 AM PDT by narby
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To: js1138
What is it about the newer theory that makes more sense to you?

1) Besides being a paleontologist by training, the guy's an expert in horses and is well acquainted with the habits of horses existing today, at least according to the article.

2) He's more likely to know the habits of existing horses than most paleontologists.

3) He's noted that:

Scientists once universally thought the more primitive horses, which lived from about 55 million to 20 million years ago, were primarily leaf-eating browsers, only becoming grass eaters as the prairie grasslands began to spread rapidly across North America during the Miocene Epoch about 20 million years ago, MacFadden said...

The reality is not so clear cut, MacFadden said. Actually, during times of transition, some groups of horses actually became mixed feeders, eating both grasses and leafy material, he said...

Although modern horses are primarily grazers, they will feed on fruits and leaves when grass is in short supply, MacFadden said. “Horses are highly adaptable,” he said. “They can exploit different food resources when they have to and are able to withstand a wide range of climates. They live in the tropics. They extend all the way up to the Arctic.”...

The preconceived notion that the horse was once as small as a dog but progressively grew to its present stature now can be proven to be incorrect, MacFadden said...

About 20 million years ago during the Miocene Epoch, horses diversified in size rather than just becoming larger, MacFadden said. While some grew larger, others became smaller or remained the same size, he said.

QED

422 posted on 05/05/2005 10:38:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: webstersII
Actually you singularly wrong. The military battle took place exactly as foretold (that's a historical fact even if you don't believe the Bible) in 70 A.D.

Jesus was a general in the army that lost to the Romans in 70AD?

Wow. I didn't know that.

423 posted on 05/05/2005 10:41:06 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby

Evolution is amazing, I wonder who invented it?


424 posted on 05/05/2005 10:43:51 AM PDT by Protagoras (MYOB)
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To: Aquinasfan

So you accept this person as an expert on his subject, and you accept his account of horse evolution?


425 posted on 05/05/2005 10:46:31 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: webstersII

"Actually you singularly wrong."

Me and every Christian, I guess.


426 posted on 05/05/2005 10:53:32 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: timtoews5292004

"actually, a province in china has a factory just for such a thing, according to the book China, Inc. They were the ones who produced the first "feathered dinosaur transitional form" proof that was reported in either national geographic or nature, a few years ago."

So, thes fake fossil factories have a design team that creates fake fossils just to fool creationists? And they spend countless hours producing unique fake fossils which have lineages to other fake fossils? Yeah, that's the ticket. And we never went to the moon either, that was a fake as well.


427 posted on 05/05/2005 11:16:30 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: narby

Behold the cedar-like tail of the mighty hippo!

JM
428 posted on 05/05/2005 11:16:32 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: VadeRetro

Would someone please explain to me how those horses got those stripes? Surely zebras are in the horse family.


429 posted on 05/05/2005 11:21:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Here:

http://www.geocities.com/moredonkeys/equinebasics.html


430 posted on 05/05/2005 11:27:57 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: FastCoyote

now that i've gotten a third response to my comment, I feel I'll have to go back to the library, check the book back out, and come back with the page number and quote it. The author of the book devotes an entire section to counterfeit goods in china, of all kinds, from clothes and computers, to yes, FAKE FOSSILS. I'll hit the library after my night class.


431 posted on 05/05/2005 11:30:25 AM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: Sacajaweau

432 posted on 05/05/2005 11:36:10 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: JohnnyM

Big butt and a peculiar tail, but being from northern Sweden, my first thought was spruce.

433 posted on 05/05/2005 11:36:48 AM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: JohnnyM
I looked all over the net for a good picture of a hippo tail. The closest I got was a drawing that wasn't clear, but did show a bushy end on the tail. I also found a physical description that said hair bristles were only on the nose, ears and tail. I don't see any at all on that picture.

Bottom line, Genesis, and Job, are confusing. Whether behemoth is a hippo, or rino, or whatever, it certianly doesn't describe the entire class of dinosaurs. Even if it did, so what? We already know dinosaurs existed in great number. At least the Old Testament got it right on this one, if it really means dinosaur.

The fact that we can't get a definite idea of what Job is talking about here is even further evidence that Genesis just doesn't have enough information to make it clear exactly HOW God created the universe, life and the species.

Evolution still stands.

434 posted on 05/05/2005 11:36:57 AM PDT by narby
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To: MeanWestTexan

That doesn't answer the stripe question....if all horses evolved, then the stripe gene came in when??...it would seem to be at a specific time.


435 posted on 05/05/2005 11:38:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: anguish
Big butt and a peculiar tail, but being from northern Sweden, my first thought was spruce.

I don't see where his "stones" are. (ya gotta read Job for that one)

436 posted on 05/05/2005 11:39:20 AM PDT by narby
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To: anguish

Big butt and peculiar tail....My first thought was Hillary and Bubba!!


437 posted on 05/05/2005 11:39:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: narby
If conservatives persist in this, we're now seeing the apex of the conservative moment.

It's very difficult for an institution to survive, when it publicly assets an inherently and obviously absurd position. The ancient Pythagoreans, for example, faded away when they were found out to be lying about irrational numbers. If the Republican party makes creationism a centerpiece, we're finished. And rightfully so. Such idiocy doesn't deserve to survive.

438 posted on 05/05/2005 11:41:03 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Define Transitional. You mean, like duckbilled platypus transitional forms?

Caught in the act of evolution

BWWWAAAAHAhAHAAAAA!!! Oops... gotta go wipe off my keyboard...

439 posted on 05/05/2005 11:42:12 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: metacognative

Oh but silly, it MUST have, because the existence of a transcendent intellect/power is impossible, dontcha know!


440 posted on 05/05/2005 11:43:02 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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