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IBD: Mexicans Still Think They Own the U.S.
Newsmax ^ | May 6, 2005 | Jim Meyers

Posted on 05/05/2005 1:56:32 PM PDT by conservativecorner

Many Hispanic activists, Mexican citizens and perhaps even members of the Mexican government believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

They refuse to accept the legality of the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo following the Mexican-American War, which gave large parts of Mexico to the U.S., or the 1852 Gadsden Purchase of Mexican territory now in Arizona and New Mexico. Story Continues Below

A Zogby poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agreed with the statement, "The territory of the Southwest U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico," and therefore they believe they don't need permission to enter. In 1997, then-Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo told the National Council of La Raza in Chicago: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders."

And current President Vincente Fox "repeated this line during a 2001 visit to the U.S., when he called for open borders and endorsed Mexico's new dual citizenship law," according to Investor's Business Daily.

Activist Charles Trujillo, a professor at the University of New Mexico, predicts that a new Hispanic nation will be formed within this century, encompassing much of the American Southwest and part of northern Mexico.

He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation, and this will occur in the future when several Southwest states have Hispanic majorities.

The Hispanic student activist group MECHa (a Spanish acronym for Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) claims that Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and southern Colorado were stolen by the U.S. and should be returned to the people of Mexico, under the name "Nation of Aztlan."

Aztlan is the mythical original home of the Aztec people.

Some Californians seem to think that Los Angeles has already been "returned" to the Mexican people. As NewsMax.com reported in April, billboards touting a Spanish-language TV news program showed two newscasters in front of the L.A. skyline, with "Los Angeles, Mexico" printed above.

The billboards angered groups fighting illegal immigration. Stuart Fischoff, who teaches media psychology at California State-Los Angeles, told the L.A. Times: "The joke here is, ‘We're taking back California.' Underneath the joke is part of the truth."


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To: conservativecorner
Mexicans THINK..?
Who knew..
41 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: conservativecorner

I think another Mexican/American War is in order.This time we need to finish the job.


42 posted on 05/05/2005 2:22:13 PM PDT by thombo
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To: Hodar

"to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month."

Was this ever ratified?


43 posted on 05/05/2005 2:23:41 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
What's this guy a professor of? -- basketweaving?!

Underwater basketweaving, a minor in paper mache jewelry.

44 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:13 PM PDT by UseYourHead (Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking.)
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To: Bigh4u2

It's an interesting question though. But I don't recall anyone, other than this guy, making a case for the authority to secede from the union based upon the Articles of Confederation. I don't even think the Confederate States made that case.


45 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:28 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: UseYourHead

"the Indians remained poor and uneducated"

The spanish that run Mexico intend to keep it that way and that includes anyone with indian blood, what are called mexicans here.


47 posted on 05/05/2005 2:25:42 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: conservativecorner

So, this doesn't make sense. Why would the illegals here who are fleeing their country want to be back in Mexico by way of annexation? I'm not sure the majority would share the views of those quoted in this article. They voted w/ their feet and I think are happy about the reception they've gotten so far.


48 posted on 05/05/2005 2:26:36 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Hodar

That may be what it says on paper, but didn't Texas already secede back in 1861? And wasn't it forced back into the Union by military means during the Reconstruction period? Not trying to start an argument, as the same thing happened to my great state (Alabama, where the Confederacy was born), but the agreements with the USA annexing Texas into the Union in 1845 seem like a moot point after the War Between The States.


49 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:28 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: KC_Conspirator

Sounds like another Ward Churchill.


50 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:29 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport
My solution is for the US to give Los Angeles County and San Francisco back to Mexico.

Keep the land. Give back their citizens.

51 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:36 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: thombo

Yes, should have kept them in 1846. They would all be a lot better off now, what with democracy, capitalism, rule of law etc., and all their natural resources, they would be among the richest states in the Union. Plus, the good beaches!! The joke in Mexico is that the Yankees declared war and stole the part of Mexico that had all the good roads, schools and banks. I also think we could have saved everyone much grief if we had kept Cuba after the Spanish-American War, hard-working people, more good beaches.


52 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:19 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Racer

I live in California, you knothead. The town I live in is over 50% hispanic (farm workers). Don't lecture me about Mexican immigration.


53 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Bigh4u2
I was wrong (folks, circle this day in RED).

Texas can NOT divide itself into 3 states, but 5!! Link for Texas to split into 5 states.

However, sadly enough they also added this gem at the end

Another Texas-related legend holds that the Texans negotiated an annexation treaty which reserved to them the right to secede from the Union without the consent of the U.S. Congress, but the terms of Texas' annexation contain no such provision.

54 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:45 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Antonello

...that option works as well.


55 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: All

Well my 2 cents FWIW...

Seems to me that the war was lost when people started wanting more & nore cheaper 'n' cheaper ....one might say ....you get what you pay for....if you know what I mean... :o(


56 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:44 PM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: conservativecorner
Many Hispanic activists, Mexican citizens and perhaps even members of the Mexican government believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.... They refuse to accept the legality of the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo following the Mexican-American War, which gave large parts of Mexico to the U.S., or the 1852 Gadsden Purchase of Mexican territory now in Arizona and New Mexico.

I guess they are not aware of the prophecy of Magin Catala, the mystic monk of the Santa Clara (Calif.) mission. He said that God was going to take this land away from the old Mexican "Calfornios" because of their sins, and give it to a new nation, a flag from the east.

Hmmm....What sins might those be? Perhaps it was due to the fact that Mexico -- whose war of independence against Spain began with a prophetic proclamation from a Catholic priest (!) - seized all the Church mission lands up here and distributed them to wealthy private hacienadados. God gave them freedom, they responded by stealing Church land...was the 1848 war a divine judgement?

At any rate, Magin Catala's prophecy came true: God took the land from Mexico and gave it to us. The Aztlanistas need to come to grips with the fact that this land is not theirs.

57 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:53 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war -- Genghis Khan)
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To: conservativecorner

I disagree.

I wish we'd do it once again and push the current border all the way down to Mexico's southern border.

Then mine every square foot of what is now Mexico.

Tired of this crap.


58 posted on 05/05/2005 2:30:48 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: conservativecorner

Seems to me if we are going to return the disputed areas to anyone that the Indians would have first claim, not the Mexicans.


60 posted on 05/05/2005 2:33:12 PM PDT by deener
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