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Bill to take profit out of anti-religion suits
World Net Daily ^ | May 7, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 05/08/2005 7:15:29 AM PDT by Jay777

An Indiana congressman plans to curb the ACLU's appetite for filing suits targeting religion in the public square by introducing a bill that denies plaintiff attorneys the right to collect attorneys fees in such cases.

Rep. John Hostettler, R-Ind., is expected to file his measure next week to amend the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Act of 1976, 42 U.S.C. Section 1988, to prohibit prevailing parties from being awarded attorneys fee in religious establishment cases, but not in other civil rights filings.

"Every other civil right case, there is some injury to somebody," American Legion attorney Rees Lloyd of Banning, California, told a Thursday rally in front of ACLU's Los Angeles offices. "Somebody lost their job ... somebody got beat up by authorities – they have some physical, mental, economic injury. But in an Establishment Clause case, it is someone who says, 'I take offense,' and the offense is based on religions, politics, philosophy, but there is no injury."

Hostettler introduced a bill with identical language in 2003 to permit only injunctive relief in cases filed under the religious-establishment clause of the Constitution and to deny attorneys fees. Although that bill failed in subcommittee, Lloyd is optimistic that the current offering will pass this session because of the more conservative makeup of the current Congress and escalating calls to curb an activist judiciary, particularly on religious matters.

"The issue is about the absolute fanaticism of the ACLU and the absolute arrogance of a judiciary that says we have to wipe out of history all the evidence of our heritage," Lloyd told the Los Angeles Daily Journal, a legal newspaper.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: aclu; activistjudges; antitheist; congress; conservativecongress; fundingtheleft; hostettler; indiana; johnhostettler; judiciary; lawsuits; meninblack; persecution; religiouspersecution; stoptheaclu; tortreform
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1 posted on 05/08/2005 7:15:29 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/08/2005 7:16:31 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This group just started on December 3, 2004 and are looking for new members to their yahoo group


My Personal Anti-ACLU Blog (Check it out and leave a comment!)

Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU Ping List!
3 posted on 05/08/2005 7:17:11 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777

'Bout time.


4 posted on 05/08/2005 7:17:12 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Jay777

Best idea I've heard in a long time. Bet it'll be killed by the "moderates," however.


5 posted on 05/08/2005 7:18:16 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Jay777

This is about more than money to them.


6 posted on 05/08/2005 7:19:31 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Jay777

Would be great if it passes. But of course the ACLU would sue again to have it declared unconstitutional. And with our current judges, what do you think will happen?


7 posted on 05/08/2005 7:21:27 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Jay777

Redistricting took me out of John's district, but I am glad I got to vote for him during his first term.


8 posted on 05/08/2005 7:25:15 AM PDT by Always Right
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SIGN THE PETITION TO GET THE ACLU OFF THE TAXPAYER'S DOLE
9 posted on 05/08/2005 7:25:22 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777

Great. Now if everyone will join and quit paying their taxes. That should stop a lot of greed, etc.


10 posted on 05/08/2005 7:26:03 AM PDT by freekitty
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More info on how you can help make this happen!
11 posted on 05/08/2005 7:27:40 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777

Long overdue.


12 posted on 05/08/2005 7:39:28 AM PDT by Brilliant
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A quote from one of those websites:

"I was pleased last year to proclaim 1983 the year of the Bible. But you know, a group called the ACLU severely criticized me for doing that. Well, I wear their indictment like a badge of honor". - President Reagan, January 1984


13 posted on 05/08/2005 7:42:07 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: mlc9852; freekitty; madprof98; RonDog; Always Right; PetroniusMaximus; Brilliant
Among ACLU's founders January 12, 1920, were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

Under the aegis of the ACLU's Foundation---worth some $135 million---any number of financial travesties can be hidden. The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

NOTE: In order to spread this message far and wide, you may have already received it. Sorry about that.

14 posted on 05/08/2005 7:42:51 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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I doubt that there are enough congress/sentate critters in either party with guts to vote for this. If they had any guts they would abolish automatically awarding legal fees on any suit. Let the lawyers take their chances in these cases just like any others. As it is now the lawyers have everything to gain and nothing to lose.


15 posted on 05/08/2005 7:44:15 AM PDT by FreePaul
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Well if we don't let the represeantives and Congresspeople hear our voice on this...there is only ourself to blame!

If we contact them, and let them know, and then they still vote against it...we can blame them!


16 posted on 05/08/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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Email your Representatives Contact Your Senators
17 posted on 05/08/2005 7:51:51 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777
Sounds like a step in the right direction. Personally, I'd like to see that entire "Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Act" repealed, but I'll settle for this for now.
18 posted on 05/08/2005 8:03:38 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Jay777

Remove the lawsuit money from the ACLU and the Watermelon enviral groups, and they will become more dependent on George $oreA$$.


19 posted on 05/08/2005 8:44:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Liz

and Felix Frankfurter though not identified as a Communist
defended Hiss-- and defended Communists who had run afoul of the Law until late in his career on the supreme Court.


20 posted on 05/08/2005 9:30:15 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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