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Meet the Poor Republicans
NY Times ^ | May 15, 2005 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 05/14/2005 3:33:42 PM PDT by neverdem

Last week the Pew Research Center came out with a study of the American electorate that crystallized something I've been sensing for a long time: rich people are boring, but poor people are interesting.

The Pew data demonstrated that people at the top of the income scale are divided into stable, polar camps. There are the educated-class liberals - antiwar, pro-choice, anti-tax cuts - who make up about 19 percent of the electorate, according to Pew. And there are business-class conservatives - pro-war, pro-life, pro-tax cut - who make up 11 percent of voters.

These affluent people are pretty well represented by their parties, are not internally conflicted and are pretty much stuck in their ways.

But poorer voters are not like that. They're much more internally conflicted and not represented well by any party. You've got poor Republicans (over 10 percent of voters) who are hawkish on foreign policy and socially conservative, but like government programs and oppose tax cuts. You've got poor Democrats who oppose the war and tax cuts, but are socially conservative and hate immigration. These less-educated voters are more cross-pressured and more independent than educated voters. If you're looking for creative tension, for instability, for a new political movement, the lower middle class is probably where it's going to emerge.

Already, we've seen poorer folks move over in astonishing numbers to the G.O.P. George Bush won the white working class by 23 percentage points in this past election. Many people have wondered why so many lower-middle-class waitresses in Kansas and Hispanic warehouse workers in Texas now call themselves Republicans. The Pew data provide an answer: they agree with Horatio Alger.

These working-class folk like the G.O.P.'s social and foreign policies, but the big difference between poor Republicans and poor Democrats is that the former believe that individuals can make it on their own with hard work and good character.

According to the Pew study, 76 percent of poor Republicans believe most people can get ahead with hard work. Only 14 percent of poor Democrats believe that. Poor Republicans haven't made it yet, but they embrace what they take to be the Republican economic vision - that it is in their power to do so. Poor Democrats are more likely to believe they are in the grip of forces beyond their control.

The G.O.P. succeeds because it is seen as the party of optimistic individualism.

But when you look at how Republicans behave in office, you notice that they are often clueless when it comes to understanding the lower-class folks who put them there. They are good at responding to business-class types and social conservatives, but bad at responding to poor Republicans.

That's because on important issues, the poor Republicans differ from their richer brethren. Poor Republicans aspire to middle-class respectability, but they are suspicious of the rich and of big business. About 83 percent of poor Republicans say big business has too much power, according to Pew, compared with 26 percent of affluent Republicans. If the Ownership Society means owning a home, they're for it. If it means putting their retirement in the hands of Wall Street, they become queasy.

Remember, these Republicans are disproportionately young women with children. Nearly 70 percent have trouble paying their bills every month. They are optimistic about the future, but their fear of their lives falling apart stalks them at night.

Poorer Republicans support government programs that offer security, so long as they don't undermine the work ethic. Eighty percent believe government should do more to help the needy, even if it means going deeper into debt. Only 19 percent of affluent Republicans believe that.

President Bush has made a lot of traditional Republicans nervous with his big-government conservatism. He's increased the growth of nonsecurity domestic spending at a faster rate than Lyndon Johnson and twice as fast as Bill Clinton. But in so doing, he's probably laid down a welcome mat to precisely these poorer folks.

Even so, Republicans have barely thought about how to use government to offer practical encouragement to the would-be Horatio Alger heroes. They've barely explored their biggest growth market. If Republicans can't pass programs like KidSave, which would help poor families build assets for education or retirement, then Hillary Clinton, who is surprisingly popular with poor Republicans, will take their place.

E-mail: dabrooks@nytimes.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alger; bush; bushvictory; davidbrooks; georgewbush; horatioalger; ownershipsociety; pew; pewresearchcenter; poor; poorvote; republicanparty
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To: neverdem

THe study says the number of Liberals has DOUBLED since 1999. I think Bush has polarized and cemented the hard Left into a concrete mass of irrationality:



LIBERALS


PAST TYPOLOGY COUNTERPART: Liberal Democrats/Seculars/60's Democrats

17% OF GENERAL POPULATION

19% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

PARTY ID: 59% Democrat; 40% Independent/No Preference, 1% Republican (92% Dem/Lean Dem)

BASIC DESCRIPTION: This group has nearly doubled in proportion since 1999. Liberal Democrats now comprise the largest share of Democrats. They are the most opposed to an assertive foreign policy, the most secular, and take the most liberal views on social issues such as homosexuality, abortion, and censorship. They differ from other Democratic groups in that they are strongly pro-environment and pro-immigration.

DEFINING VALUES: Strongest preference for diplomacy over use of military force. Pro-choice, supportive of gay marriage and strongly favor environmental protection. Low participation in religious activities. Most sympathetic of any group to immigrants as well as labor unions, and most opposed to the anti-terrorism Patriot Act.

Key Beliefs: General Population Liberals
Relying too much on military force to defeat terrorism creates hatred that leads to more terrorism 51% 90%
I worry the government is getting too involved in the issue of morality 51% 88%
Stricter environmental laws and regulations are worth the cost 60% 89%
Poor people have hard lives because government benefits don't go far enough to help them live decently 52% 80%


WHO THEY ARE: Most (62%) identify themselves as liberal. Predominantly white (83%), most highly educated group (49% have a college degree or more), and youngest group after Bystanders. Least religious group in typology: 43% report they seldom or never attend religious services; nearly a quarter (22%) are seculars. More than one-third never married (36%). Largest group residing in urban areas (42%) and in the western half the country (34%). Wealthiest Democratic group (41% earn at least $75,000).

LIFESTYLE NOTES: Largest group to have been born (or whose parents were born) outside of the U.S. or Canada (20%). Least likely to have a gun in the home (23%) or attend bible study or prayer group meetings (13%).

2004 ELECTION: Bush 2%, Kerry 81%

MEDIA USE: Liberals are second only to Enterprisers in following news about government and public affairs most of the time (60%). Liberals' use of the internet to get news is the highest among all groups (37%).


21 posted on 05/14/2005 4:02:00 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: sirthomasthemore

I would prefer it if corporations paid as little income tax as possible because the lower the corporate income tax rate the greater the number of corporations that will come here to do business, which in turn means a more dynamic economy that will grow and create more jobs.


22 posted on 05/14/2005 4:08:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

DAVID BROOKS,

Say how are those subscription numbers going? Have they got you out on the street corner yelling, "Paper! Get your paper here!"?


23 posted on 05/14/2005 4:10:27 PM PDT by Mark (Lib Kinsley-LA Times-"I'm sick of talking about values..When I want values I go to Wal-Mart"))
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To: Txsleuth
My husband and I are conservative and we basically live paycheck to paycheck because I have stayed home to raise our children, and now I am helping my children by babysitting for them---and getting to spend time with my grandkiddies.

You're richer than most. As Zig often says, nobody looks up from their deathbed and says, "I wish I had spent more time at the office."
24 posted on 05/14/2005 4:12:27 PM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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To: TBall
Why would poor republicans oppose tax cuts. Even if the cuts include the most wealthy, why does this writer think poor republicans oppose?

Self-interest. These poorer Republicans get no direct and personal benefit from a tax cut, and quite frankly they're skeptical that tax cuts given to those wealthier, truly benefit them.

25 posted on 05/14/2005 4:13:06 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Mark

Ouch! LOL!


26 posted on 05/14/2005 4:13:47 PM PDT by JesseJane ((Close the borders))
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To: neverdem

Because it wasn't what he wanted to hear.


27 posted on 05/14/2005 4:15:18 PM PDT by Melas
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To: vbmoneyspender
They're not coming here, my friend, to create jobs. They set up fronts here, and then establish their operations where they can get the cheapest labor.

Remember, it's business that right now is the biggest impediment to getting illegals out of the country- got to make that almighty buck, even if it isn't within the law and even if it means that illegals over-populate your neighborhood.

That said, make the tax rate as low as you want. Just cut the loopholes, and make them pay that tax. Fair enough?
28 posted on 05/14/2005 4:15:51 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: concerned about politics

Why does it matter if soemeone in need gets help from the govt or from a private source? If you were truly concerned about the need being met, that is. That aside, I think the article shows how easy the DNC could regain power if it would stop allowing the radical left(feminist, homosexuals) to be the face of it's party.


29 posted on 05/14/2005 4:17:25 PM PDT by amosmoses (For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Romans 10:2)
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To: TBall
"You've got poor Republicans (over 10 percent of voters) who are hawkish on foreign policy and socially conservative, but like government programs and oppose tax cuts." Sounds like BS to me. Why would poor republicans oppose tax cuts. Even if the cuts include the most wealthy, why does this writer think poor republicans oppose?

Because the amount of the tax cut is insignificant in their budget but cutbacks in government services are seen. What is a tax cut against trash collection being reduced to once a week ?

30 posted on 05/14/2005 4:17:54 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: neverdem

**The G.O.P. succeeds because it is seen as the party of optimistic individualism. **

Bump tha!


31 posted on 05/14/2005 4:17:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: neverdem

**the big difference between poor Republicans and poor Democrats is that the former believe that individuals can make it on their own with hard work and good character.**

LOL! The Republicans work while the dims lounge and wait for welfare. No suprise there!


32 posted on 05/14/2005 4:20:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mark

Isn't he their token conservative? One couldn't tell.


33 posted on 05/14/2005 4:20:28 PM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: OpusatFR

Class is reality.

Social conservatives are mostly blue collar former New Deal Democrats. They were never laissez faire libertarian types. They don't believe businesses are run by Dagny Taggarts and Hank Reardens. They believe businesses are run by Kenneth Lays and Robert Vescos.


34 posted on 05/14/2005 4:20:44 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: vbmoneyspender
I would prefer it if corporations paid as little income tax as possible because the lower the corporate income tax rate the greater the number of corporations that will come here to do business, which in turn means a more dynamic economy that will grow and create more jobs.

Which is a good argument. However, there are oodles of poorer Republicans that fit the articles descriptiont that quite simply are skeptical. They're not the least bit convinced said companies will really come here to do business. They're not at all convinced that said companies won't continue to employ Chinese laborers at 1/10 the price, pocket that sweet tax break, leaving the working class Republicans watching as the CEO's and major stockholders hide money in offshore accounts.

35 posted on 05/14/2005 4:21:49 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Sam the Sham

Well said.


36 posted on 05/14/2005 4:22:38 PM PDT by Melas
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To: concerned about politics

Well, I'm a poor Republican.

I have 4 kids. I work 40 hours a week @ 10 buck an hour. My kids all have health care through the state, otherwise they'd have none. I have healthcare through my work. My wife has none. We don't have a bunch of extravagant extras, like stereo systems or computers. (I post from work or the library.) We are on food stamps, and they help out a LOT. We do not eat out, and we don't got to movies or blow extra money on crap like junk food.

Even though I hate what it costs everyone, I don't want social programs removed, but I DO want better controls on them...like NO ILLEGAL ALIENS getting welfare, food stamps, or state-sponsored health care. That'd save a lot of money.
Also...you don't work, you can't get anything.

I hate living like this. I am trying to find a better-paying job, but I was a dummy back 20 years ago and didn't finish college.

That's my story.


37 posted on 05/14/2005 4:24:03 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Revolution is now the ONLY option.)
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To: Txsleuth
My husband & I agreed 25 years ago that I would stay home with our children. Sure, we don't have the newest gadgets and cars and have struggled at times. But we have kids that appreciate the fact that Mom was always there. That was our choice and now I'm waiting for grandskids. Got time yet, my kids are 20 & 18.

I don't undestand how anyone agrees with taxing the rich to give to the poor. For pete's sake, they worked for and it's their money!

38 posted on 05/14/2005 4:24:24 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (We will always remember.We will always be proud.We will always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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To: amosmoses
Why does it matter if soemeone in need gets help from the govt or from a private source?

You can sum up the answer to your question with one word: Trust. There are countless people on both sides of the fence who quite simply don't trust private sources to be there.

39 posted on 05/14/2005 4:25:54 PM PDT by Melas
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To: neverdem

And of course as always, the article fails to acknowledge that the Rats obsession with gun control has played a major role in pushing lower income voters to the Republican party . I think Klinton's gun control initiatives were the worst thing that ever happened to the Democratic party .They just don't get it .


40 posted on 05/14/2005 4:26:37 PM PDT by FRONTLINER (Crush the Left !)
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