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Which kills more: ideology or religion?
The Spectator ^ | 28 May 05 | Andrew Kenney

Posted on 05/26/2005 10:30:32 AM PDT by xzins

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To: hflynn

"This raises another question. Is Islam both a religion and a political ideology?"

Philosophers organize their quest for knowlege into four areas, or sub-disciplines. (1) Metaphysics: the study of the nature, structure and origin of what exists, or, very simply put, what is the nature of reality? (2) epistemology: the study of the nature and limits of human knowledge, or, how do we know what we know? (3) Ethics: the study of right and wrong actions and attitudes, or, how should be live? (4) Logic: the study of principles for distinguishing correct reasoning from uncorrect reasoning, or how do we think correctly? (Thanks to Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen for the definitions.)

Every 'ideology', or 'system of thought', aims to provide answers to these particular questions. Christianity, Communism, Islam, Judaism, etc. They each use there own private vocabulary to discuss these questions and their answers to these questions. The problem with this is that it makes communication between the various 'thought systems' very difficult. Therefore, philosophers have created a generalized 'philosophical vocabulary' that allows those of different 'though systems' to communicate.

Using this 'philosophical vocabulary' we can talk about 'worldviews' and how a particular 'worldview' would answer life's questions. If we understand the human thought process in general philosophical terms, we won't stumble over the distinction between an ideology and a religion and a political system. We will understand that there are various competing 'worldviews' which each assert their anwsers to the basic questions of philosophy. We will also understand that each 'worldview' has logical consquences in the area of family, government, economics, education, law, sexuality, history....every possible area of life. We often focus on one particular area, for
example economics or politics, and look at how a 'worldview' works itself out in that area. But we should understand that a 'vorldview' is far more broad than just
an economic or political system. For example, we tend to think of Communism as an economic system, but Communism is really a 'worldview' which, like other 'worldviews',
works itself out in each area of life as people seek to apply the ideas of their particular 'worldview'.

You'll often hear people say that 'ideas have consequences'. That is true, but it is better to say 'worldviews have consequences'.

The Christian history and heritage of the USA has come under attack in the last several generations. Many want us to forget or deny our Christian history. Why? I submit to you that the peace, safety and prosperity we have enjoyed in our culture for so long are the logical consequences of a Christian 'worldview' lived out by several generations.
Historically, even those who rejected Christianity still 'lived' as Christians....they believe in absolutes, they held to traditional thoughts about how life should be lived, i.e. men marry women, not other men, children are a good thing, sex is for marriage. Even if they didn't live up to these ideals, few rejected them.

Today there are many who don't want us to believe that 'worldviews have consquences'. They want us to believe that peace and prosperity are intrinsic to life and aren't the conseqence of any kind of national Christianity. They want us to believe that we can throw marriage out the window and still have peace and properity. We can throw private property out the window and still have peace and prosperity. We can have men marry men and women marry women and still have peace and prosperity. We can abort babies by the millions and still have peace and properity. We can throw absolutes out the window and still have peace and prosperity. We can allow
every foul and destrucive 'worldview' to come into our culture and set up shop and STILL we will continue to have peace and prosperity. They want us to believe that we can have ANY worldview and the result will always and only be peace and prosperity. These people are fools and destroyers.


101 posted on 05/26/2005 1:38:16 PM PDT by vigilo
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To: xzins

Oh wheeee.

I should probably sit this one out.


102 posted on 05/26/2005 1:46:18 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Restorer
the Mongols probably killed 100M+ in less than a century,

Please could you show links to this? I disagree with the number.
103 posted on 05/26/2005 1:49:51 PM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Restorer
According to Wikipedia only about 100 M was the number of people under their control at the height of their Empire.

Yes, they killed a lot, it took half of the Euroasian land mass to even have 100 million. That's a lot of people.

The 5 million for Central Asia is probably about right, but keep in mind, for some reason, they really didn't like Muslims much. They were much more "civilized" around Christians and Buddhists.

104 posted on 05/26/2005 1:54:19 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto

After some additional research, you appear to be more or less correct. The total number is probably closer to 50M than 100M.

Still a major accomplishment, given the population they had to work with and the technology available.


105 posted on 05/26/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Cronos

See post 105.

Here's a link to a lot of historical death totals:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#Mongol

Little really accurate info is available, but keep in mind people still argue how many various states killed in the 20th century.


106 posted on 05/26/2005 1:59:14 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Still a major accomplishment, given the population they had to work with and the technology available.

No doubt.

Some postulate that the Russian/Soviet mentality of acceptance of mega murder dates back to the culture formed during the Mongol occupation.

107 posted on 05/26/2005 2:07:51 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Quix

Awwww....c'mon. Dive on in. You'll enjoy the swim!


108 posted on 05/26/2005 2:31:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

Enjoy the swim?

Methinks you'd love any excuse to call me all wet! LOL.


109 posted on 05/26/2005 2:43:37 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Quix

Why? Seems pretty civil so far. And I haven't even been throwing and bombs lately!


110 posted on 05/26/2005 4:08:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: FeeinTennessee

Who are the bigger criminals? thieves or robbers?


111 posted on 05/26/2005 5:39:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Which bites harder: a cougar or a mountain lion? ;)

Amd how do they compare to a puma?

112 posted on 05/26/2005 5:43:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Restorer
Hitler killed 6M Jews, 12M total.
Stalin killed at least 20M, Mao probably closer to 100M than 30M.

Top ranking comes to a showdown betwen Mao and Rachel Carson

113 posted on 05/26/2005 5:47:21 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: redgolum

Perhaps because of my well trained flinching reflexes! LOL.


114 posted on 05/26/2005 6:08:04 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: vigilo
A worldview should pass certain tests. Foremost, it should be rational and not ask us to believe contradictory things. Second, it should be supported by evidence and consistent with what we observe. Third, it should provide one with a satisfying comprehensive explanation of reality by being able to explain why things are the way they are. Fourth, it should provide a satisfactory basis for living, negating our need to borrow elements of another worldview in order to live in this world.

Islam fails to pass 1, many or all of these worldview tests depending on our own worldview(s)

It should be noted people who are struggling with worldview questions are often despairing and even suicidal, which brings us to Islam terrorists in the year 2005.

115 posted on 05/27/2005 5:21:04 AM PDT by hflynn
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