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Andromeda galaxy larger than thought-astronomers
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 5/30/05 | Reuters

Posted on 05/30/2005 6:23:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Andromeda galaxy just got bigger -- three times bigger, astronomers said on Monday.

The galaxy is not actually expanding. But new measurements suggest that the nearest galaxy to our own Milky Way is three times broader than astronomers had thought.

They now believe a thin sprinkling of stars once thought to be a halo is in fact part of Andromeda's main disk.

That makes the spiral galaxy, so close to Earth that it appeared as a fuzzy blob to the ancients, more than 220,000 light-years across -- triple the previous estimate of 70,000 to 80,000 light-years.

It appears that the outer fringes of the disk were made when smaller galaxies slammed together, they told a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Minneapolis.

The structure is too bumpy to have been formed otherwise, said Rodrigo Ibata of the Observatoire Astronomique de Strasbourg in France.

"This giant disk discovery will be very hard to reconcile with computer simulations of forming galaxies. You just don't get giant rotating disks from the accretion of small galaxy fragments," Ibata said in a statement.

Ibata, Scott Chapman of the California Institute of Technology and colleagues in Britain and Australia worked together using observations from the Keck II telescope in Hawaii.

They studied the motions of about 3,000 stars thought to be a mere halo and not an actual part of the galaxy's disk.

But they are in fact sited in the plane of the Andromeda disk itself and move at a velocity that suggests they are in orbit around the center of the galaxy, Ibata's team said.

Andromeda is 2 million light-years from Earth. A light-year is the distance light travels in a year -- about 6 trillion miles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andromeda; astronomers; atronomers; galaxy; larger; space; thought
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To: NormsRevenge

I think they needed what printers call an "em-dash," rather than a hyphen.


21 posted on 05/30/2005 6:51:36 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: billorites

LOLOL...giggle...snort.


22 posted on 05/30/2005 6:52:20 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: NormsRevenge
But new measurements suggest that the nearest galaxy to our own Milky Way

Bzzzt! Once again the MSM gets the wrong answer. A quick search of Google for "nearest galaxies" gives http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/L/Li/List_of_nearest_galaxies.htm

1. Milky Way Galaxy - home galaxy of Earth
2. Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy - 25,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
3. Sagittarius Dwarf - 81,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
4. Large Magellanic Cloud - 160,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
5. Small Magellanic Cloud - 190,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
6. Ursa Minor Dwarf - 205,500 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
7. Draco Dwarf - 248,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
8. Sculptor Dwarf - 254,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
9. Sextans Dwarf - 257,500 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
10. Carina Dwarf - 283,500 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
11. Fornax Dwarf - 427,000 ly (satellite of Milky Way)
12. Leo II - 701,000 ly
13. Leo I - 890,000 ly
14. Phoenix Dwarf - 1,271,000 ly
15. Barnards Galaxy (NGC 6822) - 1,760,000 ly
16. NGC185 - 2,021,000 ly (satellite of Andromeda)
17. NGC147 - 2,152,000 ly (satellite of Andromeda)
18. Andromeda Galaxy (M31) - 2,363,000 ly

Not counting our own, there are 16 galaxies closer than the Andromeda Galaxy. It took much longer to format the list than to search for it.

23 posted on 05/30/2005 6:54:08 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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To: Talking_Mouse; NormsRevenge
What does the new size of Andromeda do to the collision of Andromeda and the Milky Way, in about 3 billion years?

Here's my question: When Andromeda and the Milky Way collide, when will those of us still around start to feel something?

24 posted on 05/30/2005 6:54:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NormsRevenge
Keck on top of Mauna Kea..


25 posted on 05/30/2005 6:54:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

----the spiral galaxy, so close to Earth that it appeared as a fuzzy blob to the ancients-----

It still looks like a fuzzy blob to the naked eye if you can get into skies dark enough to see it.

Saw it near Ft. Davis, TX once, naked eyed, in my 8-inch dobsonian, and on a 15 inch dob...neat night it was.


26 posted on 05/30/2005 6:54:42 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NormsRevenge

Doggone, I have made some big miscalculations, but this one was a whopper, huh?


27 posted on 05/30/2005 6:55:12 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Amelia

Here's one for you. ;-)


28 posted on 05/30/2005 6:55:23 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: billorites
Reminds me of my wedding night.

That is so wrong! LOL. If your spouse reads that comment it is the dog house ....the dank dark hidden dog house kept for special crimes ....for you.

29 posted on 05/30/2005 6:55:26 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yup.


30 posted on 05/30/2005 6:56:07 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Larry Lucido
"thought-astronomers"

They are like thought-police, but with broader jurisdiction.

(rimshot!)

31 posted on 05/30/2005 6:57:18 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Petronski

Thanks for the 'em-dash'!


32 posted on 05/30/2005 6:59:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: spetznaz
"That is so wrong! LOL. If your spouse reads that comment it is the dog house ....the dank dark hidden dog house kept for special crimes ....for you."

Hey, it's what Mrs. Billorites said to me.

Upon first viewing.

33 posted on 05/30/2005 7:01:21 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

LOL. Oooops. ;-D


34 posted on 05/30/2005 7:05:54 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

How long will it be till the Rats try to tax it for being too successful?


35 posted on 05/30/2005 7:18:22 PM PDT by GSlob
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RULES, PEOPLE!!!

Andromeda:


37 posted on 05/30/2005 7:32:27 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: alienken
They say this planet has never been visited by space aliens.HMMmn. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

If this planet ever was visited by space creatures I doubt the government would openly admit it. Wouldn't want to scare the sheeple...

38 posted on 05/30/2005 7:37:31 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: NormsRevenge
This Andromeda, perhaps?

Mrrrrow!

39 posted on 05/30/2005 7:38:30 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: KarlInOhio

You are correct of course but for me personally I would discount the satellite galaxies of the Milky Way and Andromeda itself. Astronomers wouldn't but that's just me. That still leaves 4 closer than Andromeda however so the error is still there.


40 posted on 05/30/2005 7:47:15 PM PDT by xp38
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