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Dems Hijack Christianity
NewsMax ^ | May 30, 2005 | Roger Banks

Posted on 05/31/2005 11:43:38 AM PDT by Pellegrino

". . . . The absurd implied premise of the Bible-quoting liberals is that bigger government is a way to 'love thy neighbor.' In fact, government programs encourage a life profoundly centered on self, and make us increasingly spectators to the plight of our neighbors. . . . "

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; dncstrategy; religiousleft; valuesvote
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1 posted on 05/31/2005 11:43:38 AM PDT by Pellegrino
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To: Pellegrino
Government programs are no way to "love your neighbor". As any IRS agent can tell you TAXES are collected at the point of a gun. In fact, anyone in the business of collecting debt for the government has probably had occasion to send an armed officer of the law out to pick up records or people.

Government is not, after all, the tooth fairy!

2 posted on 05/31/2005 11:47:09 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Pellegrino
What makes a good Christian when it comes to choosing a ruler or can government do the work of God?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts. Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of "Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit."

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government "aid" to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do "God's Work."

If a government takes a portion of a man's wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman's property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil? When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly? If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people's tax money and does "God Work" with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an "Ungodly" man?

Today, the US government (federal, state and local) takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person's paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers. The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God's work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the "right things?"

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outlined in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the "Great Society" programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to "help families and children" or "buy votes" depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960's, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970's there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though "poor" by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The "Great Society" programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world results are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the "Great Society" programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the "Works of God" that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government "guarantees" that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave "government help" for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The "worker's paradises" of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do "God's Work."

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is "Who should help those in need?" I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting. Government help should be the last resort.

Very Sincerely,

2banana

3 posted on 05/31/2005 11:47:25 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Pellegrino

Christ taught us to CHOOSE charity. There's not choice involved in tax supported charity. You glorify God when you help someone. Paying taxes by definition, and the good graces of the ACLU, has NOTHING to do with God. What Jesus was talking about and what Kerry is talking about are to completely different things.


4 posted on 05/31/2005 11:50:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: 2banana
Good post.

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do "God's Work."

God is not allowed inside the walls of government. If government was doing God's work the ACLU would shut it down.

5 posted on 05/31/2005 11:53:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Government (and taxpayer money) is a liberal's GOD and charity.....


6 posted on 05/31/2005 11:58:27 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: DManA
Never have so few (Congress, Senate, and the past Presidents) stolen (legally - taxes) from so many, for so long.

Most of the men in those positions have no idea or inclining of Who and What God is. They Kill the innocent (abortion) and celebrate the guilty, "sheets Bryd and Ted Kennedy, to mention just two) and the list goes on and on
7 posted on 05/31/2005 12:00:02 PM PDT by Russ_in_NC
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To: Pellegrino

Hijacking the lingo is not hijacking Christianity.

That's why even if they use the lingo .. their actions will not follow .. thus exposing them for what they really are .. vacuous.


8 posted on 05/31/2005 12:00:23 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: 2banana; Mr_Mayor

Mr. Mayor, yoo hoo, where are you??? Could you please resond to this?

Thanks!


9 posted on 05/31/2005 12:03:16 PM PDT by brushcop (Remember SFC David Salie, a gentle giant of a man KIA (2-14-05) Iraq fighting for their liberty.)
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To: Pellegrino

There is as little virtue in compelled charity as there is in compelled morality -- none to be exact.


10 posted on 05/31/2005 12:04:14 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Pellegrino
ROFL! I'm old enough to remember when the Christian right was the Christian left!
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11 posted on 05/31/2005 12:09:28 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: 2banana

Thanks for re-iterating this point. I get really TO'd when "Christians" start talking about entitlement programs in glowing terms.

Hey, guys, it's charity when it comes directly from you, but when the government gets involved, it's something entirely different (and not good).


12 posted on 05/31/2005 12:12:45 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Pellegrino

The liberal Dems cannot hijack that which they do not understand. They have allowed themselves to become the best weapon the terrorists have against America and they are fooling no one with their sudden penchant for quoting scripture.


13 posted on 05/31/2005 12:18:22 PM PDT by sageb1
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To: 2banana

Incredible post. I've seen many parts of this, at least, before. Thanks for doing it again.
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The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."


14 posted on 05/31/2005 12:18:28 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: goodnesswins

Good point, marxism and big government is a religious belief for many on the left. They can get tears in their eyes talking about the egalitarian world they imagine.


15 posted on 05/31/2005 12:23:05 PM PDT by ran15
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To: sageb1
The liberal Dems cannot hijack that which they do not understand

I would argue that liberals have already hijacked Christianity in the form of mainline Protestant denominations and segments of the Catholic church. Once they rendered these void of meaning and impact, they abandoned Christianity altogether by the 1980's. The libs are just now coming back for seconds.

16 posted on 05/31/2005 12:32:50 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: DManA
Taxes negate the biggest requirement that is the Cheerful Giver. No one likes having their money wasted.
17 posted on 05/31/2005 12:35:15 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: DManA
Christ taught us to CHOOSE charity. There's not choice involved in tax supported charity.

Amen. The Left has never understood the difference between personal acts of charity that Jesus encouraged, and government-sponsored "charity" (often couched in the Marxist term, "entitlement"). Jesus' only statement on taxation was the famous "Render unto Caesar" quote. Clearly he did not equate the Romans public works and administration, and the coercive military presence that came with them, as "doing God's work". Of course Hypo-crat Kerry has no business preaching Christian charity through government expropriation since, as every good Leftie Democrat knows: "there is a wall of separation between Church and State".

18 posted on 05/31/2005 12:38:33 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: ghost of nixon
"Once they rendered these void of meaning and impact, they abandoned Christianity altogether by the 1980's. The libs are just now coming back for seconds."

Ah! But the cafeteria is now closed.

19 posted on 05/31/2005 12:43:41 PM PDT by sageb1
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To: AFPhys

I've read quotes like that before. Was there any precedent prior to that Tytler that he drew from, or was he philosophizing?


20 posted on 05/31/2005 1:20:56 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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