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Military releases Koran-abuse findings
WASHINGTON TIMES.COM ^ | JUNE 4, 2005 | Guy Taylor

Posted on 06/03/2005 10:40:01 PM PDT by CHARLITE

An interrogator accidentally stepped on a prisoner's Koran, copies of Islam's holy text got wet when guards tossed water balloons into a cellblock and one was "splashed" by urine, according to the final results of a Pentagon probe. But the investigation sparked by accusations in the press about desecration of the Koran here found "no credible evidence" that prison guards or interrogators "ever flushed a Koran down a toilet," the U.S. Southern Command, which oversees the prison for terrorism suspects, said yesterday.

The findings show that al Qaeda and Taliban detainees at the detention center themselves mishandled Korans on 15 occasions, three times more than the military prison's guards and interrogators. "These included using a Koran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Koran, attempting to flush a Koran down the toilet, and urinating on the Koran." The probe found five confirmed incidents of military guards and interrogators "mishandling" the Koran, a fact cited by military officials before but never described in detail. The incidents were:......

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuse; charges; desecrating; detainees; guantanamo; honorkilling; koran; koranbeaters; korandesecration; noevidence
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"The findings show that al Qaeda and Taliban detainees at the detention center themselves mishandled Korans on 15 occasions." !!!
1 posted on 06/03/2005 10:40:02 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
An interrogator accidentally stepped on a prisoner's Koran

What was it doing on the floor in the first place, if it is so "holy."

2 posted on 06/03/2005 10:42:16 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: CHARLITE
themselves mishandled Korans on 15 occasions." !!!

You won't hear many in the media stating that fact

They are too busy saying that a guard peed on the Koran .. which isn't accurate

3 posted on 06/03/2005 10:44:03 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: CHARLITE

Spending time and money investigating whether something untoward may have happened to an assemblage of paper, ink and glue makes us just as nuts as the fanatics trying to kill us.


4 posted on 06/03/2005 10:47:43 PM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: CHARLITE

And who really gives a hoot about the koran anyway?

This koran business is ridiculous. I'd kick the damn thing myself if I had the chance... Get over it!


5 posted on 06/03/2005 10:49:00 PM PDT by Mightylucky
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To: Mo1

This ought to cause a new round of wingnut jihadi autogenocide in Pakistan.

I looked at the Koran crosseyed last week, maybe that's good for 5 or even 10 jihadi self-mutilations.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 10:50:04 PM PDT by angkor
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The religion of peace

7 posted on 06/03/2005 10:50:19 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: CHARLITE
Y'know, at this point I really don't care. How about Christian preachers arrested in Saudi Arabia? How about Bibles confiscated? How about the the condition in which the Palis left the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem after occupying it for a prolonged period? Time to stand up for our interests instead of caving to the interests of those who are determined to destroy us.
8 posted on 06/03/2005 10:50:38 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: CHARLITE

By the way, when this was reported on ABC Radio tonight, the anchor actually said the investigation had been conducted into whether "the holy Koran" had been misused.


9 posted on 06/03/2005 10:50:45 PM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: JennysCool

a great big 'yep!'


10 posted on 06/03/2005 10:51:22 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: CHARLITE

When all is said and done, it will turn out that the only Americans who will even pretend to care about how some terrorist's Koran is handled are the same liberal Democrat types who infest the media.


11 posted on 06/03/2005 10:52:15 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: CHARLITE

Wow, the anti-society koran has been abused. My goodness.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/april/ogrish-dot-com-helicopter_downed2.wmv

That's how they treat us. Now we're supposed to uphold their *book*?

I assume we lost some war. 9/11 must've been a great defeat for us. Not only can they kill ours whenever, and eventually it'll be wmd's, we must treat their idealogical book with way more respect than my link above suggests.

That allahu akbar isn't 1 video, it's endless. They usually saw the heads off, while they still gasp for air after the main pipes or cut, or shoot them.


12 posted on 06/03/2005 10:55:11 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: hipaatwo
She'll shoot a person with that gun but won't let the blood get on the book.

Ah, morality!

13 posted on 06/03/2005 10:55:53 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: hipaatwo

How many virgins does this fine young woman get?


14 posted on 06/03/2005 10:56:49 PM PDT by CSM79
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To: CHARLITE

I keyworded this "honorkillings" for perspective on how seriously we should take these charges. Perhaps we can have these incidents declared "art" and given NEA funding?


15 posted on 06/03/2005 10:58:07 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: angkor
Ya know ... though I don't condone abuse of prisoners

I am just amazed at the reaction from the media about this all

These people are terrorists .. they are in Gitmo because they did or tried to kill Americans and their own fellow Muslims

And yet they only thing the media cares about is the Koran

Words just fail me

16 posted on 06/03/2005 11:01:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: CHARLITE
Sometimes I feel I have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not just dreaming up this strange new world we live in. It often seems so bass-ackwards, like Alice in the looking glass.

Our troops at gitmo are guarding perhaps the most barbaric and dangerous prisoners on the planet. Many of them are trained killers who would tear your throat out if given the opportunity. And the liberal media practically hemorrhage over the alleged 'mistreatment' of their 'holy' koran as if it's the greatest affront to human dignity ever perpetrated by man. Well I guess it's time to face the fact, the media are doing their best to incite all muslims to anger in the hope of uniting and strengthening them against the U.S. This is sedition, and nothing but sedition.

17 posted on 06/03/2005 11:04:57 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Mightylucky
This koran business is ridiculous. I'd kick the damn thing myself if I had the chance... Get over it!

Exactly.  It's a book, a freakin' BOOK.

Why is the military even answering for this?  We are at war with these people and we are bowing down in shame to them?  These 'insurgents' are blowing up their own people and no one seems to care, but kick a bunch of paper and it's headline news?  It's totally insane!

How are we going to win this war or stop another 9-11 if we are too busy being PC and sensitive?  What happened to the anger after Sept 11?

What is wrong with this country?

18 posted on 06/03/2005 11:05:06 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Mo1

Personally I do not know anyone who gives a damn if they used the pages to wipe a goats butt. The way that the Islamic world treats Christians is what is criminal. The way a book in a terrorists cell is treated is not even worth mentioning.


19 posted on 06/03/2005 11:07:10 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: Darkwolf377

And we have to be nice why???!!!


20 posted on 06/03/2005 11:07:31 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: softwarecreator
What is wrong with this country?

It's not the country

It's the media/press

21 posted on 06/03/2005 11:07:54 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: softwarecreator

I'm with you on that. The money that is spent investigating this type of BS should be being spent to protect the citizens of the United States, not protecting war criminals.


22 posted on 06/03/2005 11:08:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: CHARLITE
Simply stated, there was no Qoran abuse.

This is just more MSM non-intelligent reporting.

Next topic.

"Bush caused Global Warming!"

Next topic.

"Bush made the rest of the world not like US!"

Next topic.

>>your choice<<

LVM

23 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:15 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: Mo1


I am convinced MSM caters to the Muslims out of fear that their studios, buildings and reporters will be targeted.


24 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:25 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Mo1
Words just fail me

I know the feeling, I never thought I could be this angry or have this much hate toward anything as much as I do toward our MSM.  They are causing us irrepairable damage.  This is NOT an issue that carries even the smallest amount of relevance in this war.  Who cares.  All they are doing is encouraging the enemy to fight harder and banding them together against us.  Abu Graib?  Gitmo?  The Koran 'abuse'?  What the hell is going on here?

25 posted on 06/03/2005 11:11:44 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Paul Atreides
"What was it doing on the floor in the first place, if it is so "holy."

I don't believe in book burning but in this case I might change my mind.

26 posted on 06/03/2005 11:13:20 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: onyx
I am convinced MSM caters to the Muslims out of fear that their studios, buildings and reporters will be targeted.

I wish that were true .. at least they would have an excuse for this BS

But you saw that 6,000 word article in the NYT and the reaction from many in the media over that Newsweek article

They want us to lose this war .. Many in the media/press have declared war on our military, the Bush Administration .. and our country

27 posted on 06/03/2005 11:14:01 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: softwarecreator
All they are doing is encouraging the enemy to fight harder and banding them together against us. Abu Graib? Gitmo? The Koran 'abuse'? What the hell is going on here?

EXACTLY!

28 posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:03 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Mo1
It's the media/press

It's also our country, we should all march as one to their offices and shut them down ... they are inciting the enemy against us.  They leak sensitive material, work behind the lines with our enemies, make up stories to get the enemy's adrenaline rushing and do anything they can to help them.

30 posted on 06/03/2005 11:16:30 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Mo1


Oh yes, indeed, it's all about painting Bush worse than LBJ.
Thankfully we have the Internet now.


31 posted on 06/03/2005 11:16:36 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Mo1

" These people are terrorists .. they are in Gitmo because they did or tried to kill Americans and their own fellow Muslims"

Actually they are there because there's no viable evidence that they did that, that's the whole point of the place. And the hardcore AQ who have been captured have never been anywhere near Cuba since.


32 posted on 06/03/2005 11:18:21 PM PDT by Canard
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To: TexasTransplant
Makes you wonder if we are shooting the right people

Prez Bush said that we would deal with anyone who aids and protects these terrorists ... these people ARE doing this and need to be stopped!

33 posted on 06/03/2005 11:18:59 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Mo1
They want us to lose this war .. Many in the media/press have declared war on our military, the Bush Administration .. and our country

Right!  That is EXACTLY what they are doing.  This is treasonous behavior.  Why is the mitary even answering these questions and giving them info?

34 posted on 06/03/2005 11:21:50 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: JennysCool
"Spending time and money investigating whether something untoward may have happened to an assemblage of paper, ink and glue makes us just as nuts as the fanatics trying to kill us."

Thanks for verbalizing so well what I was thinking. Why is the Pentagon, of all places, spending precious time, energy and money trying to run down what an American guard allegedly did to a book of fiction in a terrorist prison camp? Why do they play ball with the media? It's all so twisted. It makes sense ONLY IF our government itself believes the koran to be 'sacred' and 'holy'. But either way, it amounts to a collossal insult to our troops who put themselves in harm's way to fight these devils of the koran.

35 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:18 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: softwarecreator
Why is the mitary even answering these questions and giving them info?

If I was to guess ...they don't want a repeat of Vietnam

In vietnam .. we didn't lose the military part of the war

But we did lose the PR war .. thanks to some in the media and the anti war people

36 posted on 06/03/2005 11:25:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: CHARLITE

I believe that for every American flag burnt in a muslim country, that is televised, a Koran should be burnt and televised in this country. We do have the first amendment to the constitution that protects flag-burning- It must also protect Koran burning.


37 posted on 06/03/2005 11:25:16 PM PDT by de Buillion (Ready, Fire, Aim!)
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To: CHARLITE

I believe that for every American flag burnt in a muslim country, that is televised, a Koran should be burnt and televised in this country. We do have the first amendment to the constitution that protects flag-burning- It must also protect Koran burning.


38 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:09 PM PDT by de Buillion (Ready, Fire, Aim!)
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To: CHARLITE

Is it Koran or Quran? I have seen it both ways. I heard some of these prisoners might have killed american's any in the MSM care to investagate. I also heard rumors these guy's kill people with a dull knife, Do they let them have a bible first before sawing their heads off?


39 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:50 PM PDT by Brimack34 (Why does the MSM hate our military?)
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To: Canard
"Actually they are there because there's no viable evidence that they did that..."

Really? And they were captured at Disney World and sent to gitmo for impersonating Mickey Mouse?

40 posted on 06/03/2005 11:28:19 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Mo1
But we did lose the PR war .. thanks to some in the media and the anti war people

And history is repeating itself ... why are we making the same mistake twice?  Declare a total media blackout.  I could care less what the libbies do, let them cry and scream into their cafe Lattes all they want about freedom of the press or whatever ... this is a war!  The more OUR media creates stories like this, the more angry the enemy gets and the harder and longer they will fight.

41 posted on 06/03/2005 11:29:43 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: TheCrusader
Really? And they were captured at Disney World and sent to gitmo for impersonating Mickey Mouse?

Right.  They were not innocent holy people praying in a mosque when they were captured.

42 posted on 06/03/2005 11:31:17 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator
Declare a total media blackout.

Can't .. it will cause people to think the military is trying to hide something

I don't necessary have a problem with this being reported

My problem with the media is that, it is all the report on

Though some do .. Majority of the media/press ONLY report the bad things that happen

43 posted on 06/03/2005 11:33:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: hipaatwo
Uhhh...hmmm...

I'm sure the MSM will have an answer for you soon.

It's ludicrous how the MSM, who are so feminist and liberal and anti-religion, are falling all over themselves to defend the most sexist, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-free speech, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom bunch on the planet.

That's what happens when you're just a contrarian, and your editorial meetings no doubt consist of each editor asking each reporter "How will this hurt George Bush?" while trying to decide whether or not to follow a story.

44 posted on 06/03/2005 11:33:33 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Mo1
it will cause people to think the military is trying to hide something

So?  The alternative is better?

I know you are right, I am just so angry at this moment that I would support this.  Until, of course, I calm down and let better heads prevail. =)

45 posted on 06/03/2005 11:39:00 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: CHARLITE

This is not something that needed investigating.
It's just a book.

If Muslims can't live with that and want us to submit to their views and rituals, too bad for them. This is just the start of submitting to their religion which is filled with rituals just for that purpose.


46 posted on 06/03/2005 11:40:20 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Darkwolf377
How will this hurt George Bush

It's got to be more than this, no one or no entity can be this spiteful.  To help push an entire nation & millions of people, including their own loved ones, into the path of the enemy just to get back at one person?  No, that is too much to believe.  There has got to be more.

47 posted on 06/03/2005 11:41:46 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

Yeah, a total media blackout would be good. Better yet, seize the NYT, LAT & the Three Stooges next works & turn 'em over the the people running the American Spectator.

All of this Koran Krap is so stupid. The terrorists in GTMO did more damage than our troops did accidentally.

Geeze, what are we becoming here in the States? Syria? Most of the US "media" sounds just like Al Jezria now.

Like the bumper sticker says: "If Islam is a religion of pace, then sticks of dynamite are only candles."


48 posted on 06/03/2005 11:42:03 PM PDT by Bulgaricus (Allah, Allah in Free)
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To: Paul Atreides

please dont ask those type of questions,as they dont fit the blame America chant


49 posted on 06/03/2005 11:43:30 PM PDT by justkillingtime
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To: CHARLITE

Darn...no behadings...

Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...


50 posted on 06/03/2005 11:44:07 PM PDT by dinok
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