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Kerry Hangs Back From Disclosure to All
The NY Sun ^ | June 9, 2005 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 06/09/2005 7:03:36 AM PDT by JakeINJoisey

More than a year after promising on national television to release his full military record, Senator Kerry of Massachusetts authorized the Navy last month to provide his service file to selected news organizations.

However, Mr. Kerry has not given the military permission to disclose the records to the general public, fueling continued speculation by the senator's critics that he is attempting to hush up some aspect of his service.

The news organizations that have seen the latest collection of documents reported that there was little new information aside from a copy of Mr. Kerry's Yale University transcript showing that the future politician received some mediocre marks.

The new release was prompted by a privacy waiver form, known as an SF-180, that Mr. Kerry signed on May 20, according a spokesman for the senator, David Wade.

A Navy spokesman, Lieutenant Commander Daniel Hernandez, said the waiver applied only to the Boston Globe and did not authorize release of Mr. Kerry's records to the public.

"Kerry controls the release of his records," Commander Hernandez said yesterday. "You have to talk to his office."

The senator also agreed to allow the Los Angeles Times to see his full record, Mr. Wade said yesterday. The spokesman did not respond to a question about why Mr. Kerry did not execute a broader release to all press organizations and the public. Asked whether the senator would permit release of the records to The New York Sun, Mr. Wade said, "The issue is over."

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 180; 2004; aliar; form180; kerry; militaryrecord
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1 posted on 06/09/2005 7:03:36 AM PDT by JakeINJoisey
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To: JakeINJoisey

Kerry is only adding fuel to the fire, not putting it out.

If there were nothing to hide he could certainly make a fool out of everyone thinking something damaging was in there.

Why doesn't he call their "bluff," then?

To me, the answer is obvious.

Maybe the MSM should pretend it's some kind of information relating to Bush and Iraq - then they would be all over this story 24/7!


2 posted on 06/09/2005 7:07:49 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: JakeINJoisey

"Mr. Wade said, "The issue is over."

Ah, I don't think so.


3 posted on 06/09/2005 7:09:08 AM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: JakeINJoisey
Mr. Wade said, "The issue is over

Ummm, no I think the noise is getting louder over this issue.

4 posted on 06/09/2005 7:10:12 AM PDT by RushCrush (Never give in! Never, never, never, never! Never yield in any way great or small.)
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To: JakeINJoisey
What's the deal with your 1978 Navy discharge when you were actually discharged in 1972? What're you hiding, Johnny Boy? Your Under Other than Honorable Conditions Discharge from 1972 that your buddy Jimmy Carter had the BCNR rewrite for you in 1978? Hmmm?
5 posted on 06/09/2005 7:11:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: JakeINJoisey
Mr. Wade said, "The issue is over."

LOL

Say that ten thousand times more, Mr. Wade, see if it becomes any more true.

6 posted on 06/09/2005 7:11:50 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: JakeINJoisey
A Navy spokesman, Lieutenant Commander Daniel Hernandez, said the waiver applied only to the Boston Globe... The senator also agreed to allow the Los Angeles Times to see his full record..

**************

Fortunately, both the Boston Globe and the LA Times have proven themselves to be free of any bias which might be reflected in their reporting.

7 posted on 06/09/2005 7:13:21 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: JakeINJoisey

Kobe Bryant, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson ~ they've bared everything ~ so why not John Kerry?


8 posted on 06/09/2005 7:13:33 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: strange1; JakeINJoisey

We need to blast this story everywhere. All of us need to send this link to talk radio shows, newspapers and Drudge! I'll be some kind of p*ssed off if this loser gets away with the media giving it a collective yawn.


9 posted on 06/09/2005 7:15:34 AM PDT by demkicker (It's clear that Frist cannot heard those Senate cats!)
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To: JakeINJoisey

I understand that he sent it to a department that only submits limited releases but there is a department that the SF-180 could be sent to that would release all the documents.


10 posted on 06/09/2005 7:15:44 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: JakeINJoisey
Tune in for the next SWIFT BOAT Vet. documentry ,, coming soon to your home town .< This is their invitation .. .. ../p>
11 posted on 06/09/2005 7:17:51 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. ; ) Islam's Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: JakeINJoisey

His only hope for fame may very likely be the warning: "Pull that kind of stunt and your name is Kerry".


12 posted on 06/09/2005 7:22:40 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: JakeINJoisey
I don't give a rusty rip about Kerry's college transcript(s), I want to know about the conditions of his discharge and whether or not he was breaking the law when, as a navy officer, he was meeting with the Vietnamese in Paris.

It appears that the case could be made that he is not even a legitimate senator.

13 posted on 06/09/2005 7:24:54 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: JakeINJoisey

Kerry is doing the standard MA shuffel.
Lie and mislead the people on things, and have the local media cover it up. If they don't take part in the coverup the local media loses access.


14 posted on 06/09/2005 7:31:56 AM PDT by ProudVet77
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To: JakeINJoisey
From what I understand, this is just more of Kerry cuteness. The Boston Globe apparently received the records from the Navy. However, the Navy does not keep such archived records. They are kept at the Bureau of Records (I think I have the name right). It sounds like he had the archived records released to the navy, then from the navy to the Boston Globe.

However, records released by the navy fall under the privacy act, so unless he specifically requested otherwise, many records of his that the navy has cannot be released. Furthermore, the navy can neither confirm nor deny that other records of his exist.

A shrewd tactical move on his part, at least it is on the surface. However, this will satisfy nobody because of his past history on the subject.
15 posted on 06/09/2005 7:38:34 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: JakeINJoisey
the waiver applied only to the Boston Globe

FLASHBACK: October 17, 2004 Boston Globe Endorses John Kerry

16 posted on 06/09/2005 7:41:04 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: demkicker
Heck, forget this story. The real story is that he went to the Navy when he knew full well that the complete file could only be found in the archives that handle ALL federal employees.

Researchers wouldn't have gone to the Navy because military records are notoriously incomplete. Especially if there is embarrassing information in them.
17 posted on 06/09/2005 7:57:01 AM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: Petronski
Say that ten thousand times more, Mr. Wade, see if it becomes any more true.

Or as they sometimes say, poop in one hand and wish into the other and see which one fills up first.

18 posted on 06/09/2005 8:01:02 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

Kerry Navy records ping!


19 posted on 06/09/2005 8:02:47 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
You are correct. You don't go to the branch that you served in for your records, you go here
National Personnel Records Center
Military Personnel Records
9700 Page Avenue
St. Louis, MO 63132-5100
This is just another Kerry Dodge.
20 posted on 06/09/2005 8:05:39 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: JakeINJoisey

21 posted on 06/10/2005 12:58:18 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Chieftain
Hate to say it but 'I told you so...." ping

Tonk, charge your weapons; Gunny, time to refinance the SBVT.

I can laugh at fish stories; I can tolerate a little fibbing but I can't stand a g**damn liar!

22 posted on 06/10/2005 1:30:20 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: JakeINJoisey

"I'm proud of my record in Vietnam, and honored to have served my country. I am also proud of the fact that my campaign provided unprecedented access to my military and military medical records both during my campaign and now months after it has ended," the senator said. "The facts still speak for themselves and as these records prove, once again the right wing is wrong."

One has to wonder what the "highly intelligent" Kerry's definition of "unprecedented" is. The "access" to his file is only unprecedented in its incompleteness, direction to specific and friendly papers, and refusal to even throw this bone until well after the election. McCain and Dole released all of theirs, apparently having nothing to hide. When you come down to it, the release of President Bush's files makes Kerry's "release" look positively deceptive, particularly when you recall how Kerry chided Bush on his TANG records etc., etc.


"Mr. Kerry told the Globe that he delayed signing the release because he was reluctant to placate his political opponents. "I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out," he said."

How would releasing documents that would presumably silence their "lies" be kowtowing to them?

"It was a despicable thing," the coordinator of veterans' outreach on Mr. Kerry's campaign, John Hurley, said in an interview yesterday. He called the attacks "specious and dishonest."

Let's see, the only proven liar in this whole debacle is Kerry. The only one hiding any records is Kerry. The only person with anything to gain by the witholding of the documents is Kerry.

Do you see a trend here?

"John Kerry's service was unquestioned by any person of any integrity whatsoever," Mr. Hurley said."

The facts of the case do not support you, Mr. Hurley. Maybe it is you and Kerry that lack any integrity whatsoever.


23 posted on 06/10/2005 8:10:11 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Liberals are emablers for terrorists and other anti American groups.)
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To: JakeINJoisey

"However, Mr. Kerry has not given the military permission to disclose the records to the general public, fueling continued speculation by the senator's critics that he is attempting to hush up some aspect of his service."

Gee. Ya THINK? What an @ss. He needs to be ousted from the Senate (MA Freepers, get on that!) and punished by being handcuffed to Teh-Raaah-Zaaa for the remainder of their natural born lives.


24 posted on 06/10/2005 8:12:30 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Fenris6
Hmmm, son of Rondo Hatton (the Creeper)?


25 posted on 06/10/2005 8:26:49 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Liberals are emablers for terrorists and other anti American groups.)
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