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Will Reporters Do Time For Joe Wilson's Crime? Should They?
June 11, 2005 | Doctor Raoul

Posted on 06/11/2005 8:57:19 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul

When Joe Wilson launched his hysterical charges alledging that the White House had violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the media was quick and persistant in covering his unfounded claims.

Though throughly discredited, Wilson's cheap shot was kept alive through journalistic CPR because the liberal media just couldn't be fair when a chance to skewer Bush, Rove and Novack presented itself.

Here at Free Republic, it was clear that Valerie Plame did not meet the requirements of "covert agent" as defined in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. As an incentive, three Freepers offered reporters $300 towards dinner at a good restaurant if they could prove either way whethere or not Plame qualified as a "covert agent". It was publicized by email and fax to the DC news bureaus. There were no takers, either because the media liked the Wilson lie or they were not up to a simple task of applying known facts to the law and geting an answer.

So now the liberal media faces the chance that reporters from two icons of liberalism, the New York Times and Time Magazine will do time in connection with the investigation demanded by partisans for political purposes. An investigation born with the enthusiastic assistance of a liberal media midwife.

Neither reporter published a story, but both had worked on one. They were interviewed by the investigators and now the Judge the media wanted, wants them to reveal their sources or go to jail.

Lawyers for the two media giants are making the same arguement that had appeared on Free Republic long, long ago....Plame is not a Covert Agent.

In the meantime, Wilson has been throughly discredited. When asked directly if his wife was a covert agent, Joe Wilson, a former Ambassador who used precise language as a tool all his career replied that she was a "national security asest". Tim Russert failed to follow up on an obvious opening to get to the truth. Wilson also backed off his claim that Karl Rove was definitely responsible.

In conclusion, it is my belief that the reporters will do time, not because of the false reporting of a crime when there was none, but for how they reacted to the investigation they so dearly wanted. And that while they will be in jail when no crime was committed, justice will have been served.


What's your take on this, will they be jailed, should they be jailed?

TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cialeak; josephwilson; novak; valerieplame

1 posted on 06/11/2005 8:57:19 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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To: Doctor Raoul
I want to see Joe Wilson frog-marched into his credit union so he can make a withdrawl to re-imburse the taxpayers for the cost of his partisan lies.
2 posted on 06/11/2005 8:58:42 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: Doctor Raoul

they will not because the left controls the mainstream newspapers and television.

3 posted on 06/11/2005 8:59:41 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Now Doc, who doesn't want a NYT commie/fascist/socialist/dum reporter held to the same standards as say ......The WH.

4 posted on 06/11/2005 9:08:49 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Doctor Raoul

The last I heard is that the prosecutor is determined to get testimony from the reporters so he can conclusively wrap up the case. I've heard two possible conclusions:

1.) no indictments
2.) no indictments on the original charge, but an indictment on lying to investigators.

5 posted on 06/11/2005 9:15:19 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: Doctor Raoul

IMHO, they should do dome jail time. This will serve as a warning to other LSM scumbags.

6 posted on 06/11/2005 9:17:30 AM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Doctor Raoul
"Lawyers for the two media giants are making the same arguement that had appeared on Free Republic long, long ago....Plame is not a Covert Agent."

That is a great summation of this whole nonsense!

7 posted on 06/11/2005 9:26:39 AM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: Enterprise; Doctor Raoul
A reminder of one of Steyn's best columns:

Copyright Mark Steyn

July 17, 2004

How a serial liar suckered Dems and the media

Well, the week went pretty much as I predicted:



But it turns out JOE WILSON LIED! PEOPLE DIED. Of embarrassment mostly. At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the white knight of integrity they've previously given the hold-the-front-page treatment, too.

And what about John F. Kerry? Joe Wilson campaigned with Kerry in at least six states, and claims to have helped with the candidate's speeches. He was said to be a senior foreign policy adviser to the senator. As of Friday, Wilson's Web site,, was still wholly paid for by Kerry's presidential campaign.

Heigh-ho. It would be nice to hear his media boosters howling en masse, "Say it ain't so, Joe!" But Joe Wilson's already slipping down the old media memory hole. He served his purpose — he damaged Bush, he tainted the liberation of Iraq — and yes, by the time you read this the Kerry campaign may well have pulled the plug on his Web site, and Salon magazine's luxury cruise will probably have to find another headline speaker, and he won't be doing Tim Russert again any time soon. But what matters to the media and to Senator Kerry is that he helped the cause of (to quote his book title) The Politics Of Truth, and if it takes a serial liar to do that, so be it.

But before he gets lowered in his yellowcake overcoat into the Niger River, let's pause to consider: What do Joe Wilson's lies mean? And what does it say about the Democrats and the media that so many high-ranking figures took him at his word?

First, contrary to what Wilson wrote in the New York Times, Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire uranium from Niger. In support of that proposition are a Senate report in Washington, Lord Butler's report in London, MI6, French intelligence, other European agencies — and, as we now know, the CIA report, based on Joe Wilson's original briefing to them. Against that proposition is Joe Wilson's revised version of events for the Times.

This isn't difficult. In 1999, a senior Iraqi "trade" delegation went to Niger. Uranium accounts for 75 percent of Niger's exports. The rest is goats, cowpeas and onions. So who sends senior trade missions to Niger? Maybe Saddam dispatched his Baathist big shots all the way to the dusty capital of Niamy because he had a sudden yen for goat and onion stew with a side order of black-eyed peas, and Major Wanke, the then-president, had offered him a great three-for-one deal.

But that's not what Joe Wilson found. Major Wanke's prime minister, among others, told Ambassador Wilson that he believed Iraq wanted yellowcake. And Ambassador Wilson told the CIA. And the CIA's report agreed with the British and the Europeans that "Iraq was attempting to procure uranium from Africa."

In his ludicrously vain memoir The Politics Of Truth, Wilson plays up his knowledge of the country. He makes much of his intimacy with Wanke and gives himself the credit for ridding Niger of the Wanke regime. The question then is why a man who knew so much about what was going on chose deliberately to misrepresent it to all his media/ Democrat buddies, not to mention to the American people. For a book called The Politics Of Truth, it's remarkably short of it. On page 2, Wilson says of his trip to Niger: "I had found nothing to substantiate the rumors." But he had.

That's what lying is, by the way: intentional deceit, not unreliable intelligence. And I'm not usually the sort to bandy the liar-liar-pants-on-fire charge beloved by so many in our politics today, but I'll make an exception in the case of Wilson, who's never been shy about the term. He called Bush a "liar" and he called Cheney a "lying sonofabitch," on stage at a John Kerry rally in Iowa.

Saddam wanted yellowcake for one reason: to strike at his neighbors in the region, and beyond that at Britain, America and his other enemies. In other words, he wanted the uranium in order to kill you.

The obvious explanation for Wilson's deceit about what he found in Africa is that his hatred of Bush outweighed everything else. Or as the novelist and Internet maestro Roger L. Simon put it, "He is a deeply evil human being willing to lie and obfuscate for temporary political gain about a homicidal dictator's search for weapons-grade uranium."

Technically, it's weaponizable uranium, not "weapons grade." But that's the point. Simon isn't the expert, and, as Ambassador Wilson trumpets loudly and often, he is. This isn't a case of another Michael Moore, court buffoon to the Senate Democrats, or Whoopi Goldberg, has-been potty-mouth to John Kerry. They're in show biz; what do they know?

But Wilson does know; he went there, he talked to officials, and he lied about America's national security in order to be the anti-Bush crowd's Playmate of the Month. Either he's profoundly wicked or he's as deranged as that woman on the Paris Metro last week who falsely claimed to have been the victim of an anti-Semitic attack. The Paris crazy was unmasked within a few days, but the Niger crazy was lionized for a full year.

Some of us are on record as dismissing Wilson in the first bloom of his unmerited celebrity. But John Kerry was taken in — to the point where he signed him up as an adviser and underwrote his Web site. What does that reveal about Mister Nuance and his superb judgment? He claims to be able to rebuild America's relationships with France, and to have excellent buddy-to-buddy relations with French political leaders. Yet anyone who's spent 10 minutes in Europe this last year knows that virtually every government there believes Iraq was trying to get uranium from Africa. Is Kerry so uncurious about America's national security he can't pick up the phone to his Paris pals and get the scoop firsthand? For all his claims to be Monsieur Sophisticate, there's something hicky and parochial in his embrace of an obvious nutcake for passing partisan advantage.

Any Democrats and media types who are in the early stages of yellowcake fever and can still think clearly enough not to want dirty nukes going off in Seattle or Houston — or even Vancouver or Rotterdam or Amman — need to consider seriously the wild ride Yellowcake Joe took them on. An ambassador, in Sir Henry Wootton's famous dictum, is a good man sent abroad to lie for his country. This ambassador came home to lie to his. And the Dems and the media helped him do it.

8 posted on 06/11/2005 9:47:57 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Doctor Raoul

They will be jailed if they don't cooperate as they should be.

Even a judge on the appellate court who believes there is a journalistic privilege found it would not apply in this case.

I think the investigation veered off long ago from her covert status, as the investigator would easily find that information, (she wasn't), and has focused on the illegal leaking of other classified material pertaining to the purveying of the story.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 10:26:01 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Doctor Raoul

They should be punished severely, but we all know that "being a member of the MSM means never having to say 'you are sorry'," or even sweating the court system ever giving you any reason to be sorry, or to change your ways.

Not aimed at you Doctor Raoul, that as a veteran poster you already know. Just practicing for responses to those new and often a little sensitive posters.

10 posted on 06/11/2005 11:32:50 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (From their slimy left bank puddle, the froggy Dems still croak" Duh........ We da mainstream, we da)
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To: Shermy; piasa


11 posted on 06/11/2005 12:15:24 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Doctor Raoul

Here is the "undercover agent" selling a book. Remember when the press was describing her as a "blonde bombshell?" I've seen better looking women at a Bourborn street strip joint for cross-dressers.

12 posted on 06/11/2005 12:54:29 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: cyncooper

Cyncooper, what do you make of Sandy Berger's troubles, now that a few months have gone by?

IIRC you were fairly adamant that there was more to come', that he didn't receive a "by" as I put it.

At the time, I believe your position was that there would eventually be more charges against the sock-stuffer.

You were taking a "wait and see" attitude, I had proclaimed the Docs in the socks incident a done deal.

Fast forward to 6/10

I understand Berger was lecturing at the Monterrey Summit last night.

There don't appear to be any black clouds of future charges looming over Berger so I ask now.

Did Berger skate or what?

Is it safe to say he got a "by" yet?

13 posted on 06/11/2005 1:02:16 PM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: firebrand; Doctor Raoul is now redirected to

Pretty blatant, and pretty baltant of the news media to not mention this little fact.

14 posted on 06/11/2005 1:57:24 PM PDT by texas booster (Bless the legal immigrants!)
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To: firebrand
Thank you for that Steyn article, it's a GREAT one ! ! I had not read it before. I admire him for having the brass balls to publicly call Wilson a liar. Good for Steyn ! ! !
15 posted on 06/11/2005 7:15:57 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: stinkerpot65

Is that Joe? Whose hairline goes back further?

16 posted on 06/12/2005 12:18:07 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: Doctor Raoul

That's him. Looks like an alcoholic.

17 posted on 06/13/2005 6:46:39 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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