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Temples Older Than Pyramids Found (In Europe)
BBC ^ | Saturday June 11 2005

Posted on 06/11/2005 12:54:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A series of temples thought to be older than Stonehenge or the Pyramids have been uncovered by a team of archaeologists working in Europe. More than 150 monuments built between 4,800 BC and 4,600 BC have been found beneath the fields of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia.

They are thought to represent Europe's oldest civilisation.

The discoveries are so new that this temple building culture does not even have a name, The Independent reports.

Click here to try our ancient civilisations quiz The temples were made of earth and wood, with the buildings stretching for up to half a mile. It's thought that they were built by a religious community who lived together in "longhouses" up to 50m long.

Evidence of these buildings has been found across a 400-mile stretch of land, but it seems the civilisation died out after about 200 years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history
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1 posted on 06/11/2005 12:54:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; Fiddlstix

ping


2 posted on 06/11/2005 12:55:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

Very interesting indeed.


3 posted on 06/11/2005 12:56:06 PM PDT by technomage
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To: nickcarraway

Interesting.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 12:56:26 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne

Fascinating, even.


5 posted on 06/11/2005 1:00:20 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: nickcarraway

I only got 80 on the quiz. I thought the Egyptians traded in plastics. Unfair!


6 posted on 06/11/2005 1:00:39 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: nickcarraway

Long Houses?
Norse?


7 posted on 06/11/2005 1:06:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well let's see Noah's flood was to have been in 4004 BC so the people died wonder from what.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 1:08:31 PM PDT by Judge Roy
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To: sumocide
Source for the above ist http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=645976
10 posted on 06/11/2005 1:08:48 PM PDT by sumocide
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To: TheOtherOne; technomage; Frank_Discussion
Very fascinating and interesting.
11 posted on 06/11/2005 1:09:40 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Judge Roy

That's a number some scholars come up with for Adam, not Noah.


13 posted on 06/11/2005 1:19:21 PM PDT by sumocide
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To: Judge Roy

4004 B.C. was Bishop Ussher's calculation for the date of the creation of the world, not for the Flood.


14 posted on 06/11/2005 1:24:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: johnny7
Your tag line "IS" disgusting. But humorously TRUE.

He's Got A Plan

Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

15 posted on 06/11/2005 1:27:45 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: rawcatslyentist
800 KB Video Montage of Kerry's Plan
16 posted on 06/11/2005 1:33:12 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: DocRock
AS the old saying goes

Fail to Plan
Plan to Fail

JoKe's motto

He's Got A Plan

Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

17 posted on 06/11/2005 1:37:10 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: tet68
No, way way before that. But there is evidence the earliest barrow builders in Britain lived in longhouses, a millenium before stonehenge.
18 posted on 06/11/2005 1:38:59 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Judge Roy
re: The multiple bank, ditch and palisade systems "protecting" the inner space seem not to have been built for defensive purposes - and were instead probably designed to prevent ordinary tribespeople from seeing the sacred and presumably secret rituals which were performed in the "inner sanctum" )))

What conclusions to draw from such scanty evidence. Whether it's cosmology, archeology, paleontology...any time you have an unaccountable science, you get capricious drawing of unjustified conclusions.

19 posted on 06/11/2005 1:39:40 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: nickcarraway

BTTT


20 posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Mamzelle
"The discoveries are so new that this temple building culture does not even have a name, The Independent reports."

They found a hundred and fifty of them over several countries and they are so new they haven't named them, but they CAN make the determination that the religious zealots worked in secret and probably felt superior to the poor huddled masses they oppressed. I am surprised they didn't just come out and say the storehouses were filled with the food taken from the poor to spoil the "religious oppressors".

what tripe.

21 posted on 06/11/2005 1:50:54 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article first since 2004)
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To: nickcarraway

22 posted on 06/11/2005 1:56:51 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: nickcarraway; SunkenCiv
Excellent.

I was trying earlier to post this but we can't post from The Independent.

23 posted on 06/11/2005 2:00:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: nickcarraway

They don't know who they were. It is possible they were the same ones who built docks and piers [still standing, sort of] around the world at that time. Whoever it was appears to have moved on.


24 posted on 06/11/2005 2:02:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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To: Judge Roy
"Well let's see Noah's flood was to have been in 4004 BC so the people died wonder from what."

If the Black Sea flood can be proven to be Noah's Flood, that was in 5600BC.

25 posted on 06/11/2005 2:03:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: nickcarraway

interesting


26 posted on 06/11/2005 2:04:16 PM PDT by fso301
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Their civilisation seems to have died out after about 200 years and the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet.

They probably called it "communal experiment". I suggest Hillaryville.

27 posted on 06/11/2005 2:20:03 PM PDT by RickGee
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To: JasonC

Maybe the Germanics ancestors...


28 posted on 06/11/2005 2:28:11 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Judge Roy
so the people died wonder from what.

Just tossing out that a couple of months back, the History Channel ran a piece on 'roids striking the Earth.

Eugene Shoemaker noticed on a satellite photo that an area of Germany looked liked it was hit by a big object. A
cathedral near the center of the "hit" was built of a mineral found in meteors.

No idea about the date of the impact.

29 posted on 06/11/2005 2:38:52 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Abathar

And this business of digging and refilling trenches as ritualistic? My first thought is that it had to do with drainage, perhaps management of livestock, or even waste disposal.


30 posted on 06/11/2005 2:58:04 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: stands2reason
No, there were no Germanics in Europe at this time. The Germans speak an Indo European language, and we know when the Indo-Europeans first appeared and when they spread into Europe. And it is about 2 millenia after this stuff.
31 posted on 06/11/2005 5:56:55 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Mamzelle
There are clearly for military defense. There is a whole tribe of scholars who refuse to admit war existed in the world until those nasty indo-Europeans arrived, but everybody with half a brain knows they are lying. Ditches and pallisades mean military defense against armies without seige weapons and limited ability to feed themselves for long periods of time to wait out the defenders inside. Everywhere and always.
32 posted on 06/11/2005 6:00:05 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: nickcarraway

Could someone please add me to the GGG ping list.

Thanks!!


33 posted on 06/11/2005 10:31:46 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: nickcarraway

Digging ditches and filling them back up?

Living in longhouses?

I hereby submit that we name them the Coolhandlukes.


34 posted on 06/12/2005 4:43:36 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: nickcarraway; wagglebee; STARWISE; blam; Republicanprofessor; FairOpinion

Thanks Nick. Looks like you beat everyone to the punch:

Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed
theage.com | 6/11/05 | AFP
Posted on 06/11/2005 2:02:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421054/posts

Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed: report
Yahoo/AFP | 6-11-05
Posted on 06/11/2005 9:38:16 PM PDT by STARWISE

Thanks Waggs and Starwise for the other topics, and RepublicanProfessor, blam, FairOpinion, et al for the pings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1421238/posts


35 posted on 06/12/2005 8:21:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: nickcarraway; wagglebee; STARWISE; blam; Republicanprofessor; FairOpinion

[second try]

Thanks Waggs and Starwise for the other topics, and RepublicanProfessor, blam, FairOpinion, et al for the pings.

Thanks Nick. Looks like you beat everyone to the punch:

Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed
theage.com | 6/11/05 | AFP
Posted on 06/11/2005 2:02:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421054/posts

Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed: report
Yahoo/AFP | 6-11-05
Posted on 06/11/2005 9:38:16 PM PDT by STARWISE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1421238/posts


36 posted on 06/12/2005 8:25:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: Calvin Locke
"Eugene Shoemaker noticed on a satellite photo that an area of Germany looked liked it was hit by a big object. A cathedral near the center of the "hit" was built of a mineral found in meteors."

Yup. I saw that some time back too.

37 posted on 06/12/2005 8:38:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: nickcarraway

Any pictures? Sounds fascinating. But I'd love to see visuals.


38 posted on 06/12/2005 8:43:36 AM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: JasonC
The Germans speak an Indo European language, and we know when the Indo-Europeans first appeared and when they spread into Europe. And it is about 2 millenia after this stuff.

I'm not arguing with you, just wondering what your source is for that Indo-European date. Mine give 6000 B.C. as the earliest possible I-E date but say farming spread to the north European plain around 5000 B.C., and to western Europe and the Volga-Don region around 4500 B.C. My first thought on reading this article was "Maybe the first direct I-E evidence?"

39 posted on 06/12/2005 8:44:13 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx
Read JP Mallory, "the search for the indo-europeans". They aren't remotely as old as 6000 BC. Some clues to spread come from linguistic survivals, e.g. similarities in pre-IE languages from opposite ends of the IE range. The main marker is burial practices. Farming on the other hand is not a marker of IE and predates it in Europe.
40 posted on 06/12/2005 10:11:39 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Calvin Locke; blam

The Ries Basin impact was about 15 million years ago, if memory serves.


41 posted on 06/12/2005 7:43:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam
If the Black Sea flood can be proven to be Noah's Flood, that was in 5600BC.

And that's a Big If. ;')
42 posted on 06/12/2005 7:45:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, then that's a bit out of the ball park...never mind.


43 posted on 06/12/2005 7:46:21 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: P.O.E.

I prefer the Dirt Culture. Iron Age, Bronze Age, Stone Age, Dirt Age.


44 posted on 06/12/2005 7:47:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: tet68

That's my first thought too, tet68.


45 posted on 06/12/2005 9:13:17 PM PDT by meema
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To: sumocide

Thanks for the hotlink, sumocide. I printed it out to study. Love this kind of 'stuff'.


46 posted on 06/12/2005 9:15:44 PM PDT by meema
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To: Calvin Locke

A little bit out, yeah. :')

"That ball wouldn't have been out of a lot of parks."

"Name one."

"Yellowstone."


47 posted on 06/13/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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48 posted on 06/13/2005 10:31:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: Abathar

LOL


49 posted on 06/13/2005 11:35:49 PM PDT by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: nickcarraway
Very interesting. Me thinks they were built by late Cro-Magnon Druids high on mead, but who I am to say ?
50 posted on 06/13/2005 11:38:17 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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