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Shinnecock Indians In Suit Over Hamptons (3600 acres & 300 years back rent)
1010 WINS ^ | 6/13/05

Posted on 06/15/2005 2:39:19 PM PDT by Libloather

Shinnecock Indians In Suit Over Hamptons
AP
Jun 13, 2005 7:39 am US/Eastern

(1010 WINS) SOUTHAMPTON, Long Island The Shinnecock Indians are threatening a lawsuit - claiming they were given title to 36-hundred acres of land in the Hamptons back in 1703 -- and now they want it back. The land includes Southampton College, the Shinnecock Hills Golf Course and some of the most expensive real estate on Long Island's east end.

Attorney John Peebles - who represents the Shinnecock Indians - says he will file a lawsuit in U-S District Court in Central Islip this week seeking the land and billions of dollars in damages.

Southampton Supervisor Patrick Heaney says the lawsuit would be retalliation - because his town has fought plans by the Indians to build a casino in Hampton Bays.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 300; 3600; acres; back; effem; hamptons; indians; island; long; new; over; rent; shinnecock; suit; years; york
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Fox News just reported on this. The reporter mentioned the 300 years back rent.
1 posted on 06/15/2005 2:39:23 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

The local Indians are pulling this in Whatcom County, WA. They claim that they were cheated when they sold the property, so they should get it back. They have claimed the beach in front of all the houses and won't even let the homeowners walk on it. The leftist judges usually side with the Indians.


2 posted on 06/15/2005 2:42:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Libloather

huh...Next we'll see the same as what happened in Canada with the self government/policing. Total bunch of BS!!!


3 posted on 06/15/2005 2:42:59 PM PDT by petpeeve
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To: Libloather

This would be hysterically funny if it wasn't for the fact that they can probably find a judge to whom this makes perfect sense.


4 posted on 06/15/2005 2:44:08 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Libloather

What is the world coming to....first the Israelis are forced to return the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians and now we're on the hot seat to give Long Island back to the Shinnecock (can I say that on FreeRep?) Native Americans...I refuse to use the word "Indians" unless preceded by the word Cleveland.


5 posted on 06/15/2005 2:44:47 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Libloather

Dang, this will be fun!...but I think The Shinnecock Indians ought to save their money....put it into a casino or into cigarette stores....


6 posted on 06/15/2005 2:47:11 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Liberalism and islam are terminal.......)
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To: sofaman

The "Shinnecock" are basically more black than Indian, just like the Pequots(the Foxwoods casino owners) in Conn.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 2:48:52 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Libloather


The "indians" were not here first,

Kennewick Man

http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html


9 posted on 06/15/2005 3:09:11 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Libloather

1703? Are we required to enforce contracts from the British colonials? Tell it to Blair.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 3:10:10 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Libloather
Let them sue the British for losing the Revolutionary War.
11 posted on 06/15/2005 3:11:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: gcruse

The State of New York screws over its Indian tribes once again. As the successor government to the British colonial rule, this falls back directly on the state. Claims based on the royal land grants to the Indian tribes, many of which date from the 17th and 18th centuries, are recognized in US courts.

Compare with the dealings the Iroquois Confederation (Six Nations) has had with the State of New York, which predated even the Revolution.


13 posted on 06/15/2005 3:23:31 PM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: Eva

"The leftist judges side with the Indians...."

Oh gosh. Between the uberrich uberliberals in the Hamptons and the Politically Correct Indians, I pity This judge! LOL


14 posted on 06/15/2005 3:24:22 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: Libloather

Right after they pay the 300 years of back taxes.


15 posted on 06/15/2005 3:24:49 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak

Indian tribes do not pay local property taxes to any state on qualified reservation land. If this 3600 acres is part of a royal grant to the Shinnecocks, it may be a reservation under the terms of the legal precedents established.

Present occupants of the land may find themselves with a cloud on the land title.


16 posted on 06/15/2005 3:31:13 PM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: Libloather
"...The reporter mentioned the 300 years back rent."

Do they have the 300 years back taxes ready?

17 posted on 06/15/2005 3:34:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Kozak

Taxes will be paid after the tenants pony up the 300 years back rent.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 3:35:15 PM PDT by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Libloather
Pro-Amerind PC sensibilities v. Ultra liberal NY Dorks...

How could I be less concerned? Unless they both lost, I'll only be half-happy.

19 posted on 06/15/2005 3:42:23 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Libloather

The liberals own the Hamptons. The Indians don't have a chance.


20 posted on 06/15/2005 3:42:49 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (NASCAR - Because it's the way Americans drive.)
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To: alloysteel

What about all the improvements?


21 posted on 06/15/2005 3:48:00 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: ProudVet77

Then it will be time to go on the warpath...


22 posted on 06/15/2005 3:48:31 PM PDT by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Redcitizen

Try telling your taxing authority that.


23 posted on 06/15/2005 3:48:35 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak

I work off the reservation and my wages are taxed state and federal just like everyone else.
But in these particular Indians case, they might end up paying no taxes.


26 posted on 06/15/2005 3:59:09 PM PDT by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: DeepFriedPorkChop

Couldn't have happened to two nicer groups. Indians and snooty blue bloods with more money than Trump. Have at it!


27 posted on 06/15/2005 4:01:07 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, but never in doubt.)
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To: alloysteel
The State of NY (mostly) honors Haudenosaunee (Iroquois or Six Nations) treaties to this day. Well, sometimes they screw around and make the Oneida close down the NYS Thruway, or make the Onondoga stage a protest on Rt 81, but the US Government and NY State mostly abide by the treaties.

Click below for more info on these treaties:

http://www.oneida-nation.net/TREATY1.HTML - Treaty Of Canandaigua (intro)

http://www.oneida-nation.net/TREATY-KO.html - Treaty of Canandaigua

ALSO CHECK: http://canandaigua-treaty.org/Treaty_Committee_Index.html - The Canandaigua Treaty page


29 posted on 06/15/2005 4:05:25 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Redcitizen

Cuckoo!


31 posted on 06/15/2005 4:08:14 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: muir_redwoods

LOL!! Yes indeed, The Taxman, Yeah...

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.



32 posted on 06/15/2005 4:09:02 PM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Freedom2005

Yup, I agree with you!


33 posted on 06/15/2005 4:10:46 PM PDT by Strutt9
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To: Redcitizen

Lose that tagline. Thanks.


34 posted on 06/15/2005 4:21:02 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: DeepFriedPorkChop; Wally_Kalbacken
And what exactly did the Indian's do to you?

Well, I'm guessing we've been too uppity. We should be physically dirty, wearing sardine can necklaces, holding our dirty pants up with one hand, while begging for scraps of food from white people in order to feed our kids...

I mean, we've got some nerve, don't we?

35 posted on 06/15/2005 4:22:35 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: Libloather

The Shinnecocks are well-known for including lots of mixed race folks.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)


36 posted on 06/15/2005 4:23:40 PM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: Libloather
The monied Hampton liberals are in a tough spot over this.......a real moral dilemna.

After all, the Indians....oops, Native Americans, are living relics of the Noble Savage, the protectors of the environment who lived peacefully together in sylvan forests before the whiteys came with genocide on their minds and small pox in their glands.

What to do? Since "moral" is not in the liberal lexicon, and the fat kats like the Kennedys are fighting the windmills off shore from their compounds, we do have precedence.

The Hamptonian liberals will screw their Noble Savages right into the ground.

Leni

37 posted on 06/15/2005 4:24:21 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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To: Libloather
Attorney John Peebles - who represents the Shinnecock Indians - says he will file a lawsuit in U-S District Court in Central Islip this week seeking the land and billions of dollars in damages.

Jack and Lizzie Grubman will cover it. ;)

38 posted on 06/15/2005 4:25:48 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Freedom2005
How about D.C. ?

I say give the Indians that back...

39 posted on 06/15/2005 4:26:49 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton makes me sick as a dog passing peach pits.....)
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To: ProudVet77; MinuteGal; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim
The liberals own the Hamptons. The Indians don't have a chance. - The Hamptonian liberals will screw their Noble Savages right into the ground.

Looking up residents in the phone book should be interesting. Who would own land there? The Kennedys? The Rockefellers? The Big Media elite? And who has lifetime memberships to Shinnecock Hills Golf Course? This is gonna be fun to watch...

40 posted on 06/15/2005 5:06:13 PM PDT by Libloather (Leftists have a problem living in a free society. It maybe time for them to leave...)
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To: Libloather

Puffy is going to be REALLY upset about this!


41 posted on 06/15/2005 5:06:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Libloather

Does it include Alec Baldwin's house? There may be a silver lining... [irony]


42 posted on 06/15/2005 5:10:36 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Does it include Alec Baldwin's house? There may be a silver lining...

Does that goofball own land up there? Here's hoping it's some ancient, sacred burial plot...


43 posted on 06/15/2005 6:08:26 PM PDT by Libloather (Leftists have a problem living in a free society. It maybe time for them to leave...)
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To: Kozak
You are wrong on two accounts. First , the taxes wouldn't go back for the whole three hundred years. At most maybe one hundred and I doubt that. Second, if they win the court battle and in fact prove the land is theirs, there would be NO taxes whatsoever. There are no taxes on Indian land. And on top of all that. If they do own the land the back rent would be hundreds of times more than any taxes you could come up with.
44 posted on 06/15/2005 6:22:32 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: fish hawk

I'm not busting anyone's chops here, but didn't the settlers buy Long Island - far and square - for $24 bucks? A deal is a deal...


45 posted on 06/15/2005 6:25:03 PM PDT by Libloather (Leftists have a problem living in a free society. It maybe time for them to leave...)
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To: Libloather

That's what we learned in public schools but who can count on them for TRUTH.


46 posted on 06/15/2005 6:34:09 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: fish hawk
That's what we learned in public schools but who can count on them for TRUTH.

Do you have it?

47 posted on 06/15/2005 6:37:51 PM PDT by Libloather (Leftists have a real problem living in a free society. It maybe time for them to leave...)
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To: Libloather

Do I have it??? What? Truth? Yes if that's the question.


48 posted on 06/15/2005 6:41:01 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: fish hawk
Do I have it??? What? Truth? Yes if that's the question.

I wouldn't mind learning. What info do you have?

49 posted on 06/15/2005 6:44:15 PM PDT by Libloather (Leftists have a real problem living in a free society. It maybe time for them to leave...)
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To: fish hawk

Not with penalty and interest.


50 posted on 06/15/2005 6:45:13 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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