Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Scientists: Hunley Had Skylights
wltx ^ | 6/15/2005

Posted on 06/16/2005 4:28:32 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Scientists excavating the Confederate submarine Hunley say they've found another unique feature of the boat.

They say the Hunley had a series of skylights on top of the hull. Each had a cover which could be closed from inside.

Charleston Senator Glenn McConnell chairs the Hunley Commission. He says the covers could have prevented light from escaping from the inside of the Hunley, revealing its position. McConnell says it appears the covers were designed to help seal the sub if one of the skylights broke. He says it's another indication the Hunley was a well-thought-out design.

The Hunley was the first submarine to sink an enemy warship. It sank a Union blockade ship in 1864 and was raised off the coast of Charleston in 2000.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: archaeology; csa; csshunley; dixie; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; hlhunley; hunley; militaryhistory; mobile; navy; sub

1 posted on 06/16/2005 4:28:34 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
Hunley Had Skylights.

Ahh... We may have found the problem.

Did they have window screens in Civil War America?

(steely)

2 posted on 06/16/2005 4:31:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

And in what city was the Hunley constructed again?


3 posted on 06/16/2005 4:35:30 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (If you want Siegelman to win a 2nd term, by all means, vote for Roy Moore in the primary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner; SunkenCiv

Didn't know if this fit in the gods or glyphs categories, but it WAS a grave. :)

I saw the documentary and made for tv movie, t'was very interesting I thought.


4 posted on 06/16/2005 4:35:52 PM PDT by Chani (If it isn't in Texas, you probably don't need it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..

One active ping


5 posted on 06/16/2005 4:35:54 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

What does the H.L. designate?


6 posted on 06/16/2005 4:37:16 PM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
I was in Charleston when the Hunley was raised. I still get goosebumps when I see a blue light! After that I've been lucky enough to see it at the lab, have seen the famous god coin...

Oh boy! there are no words to describe the feelings caused by the Hunley. I just want to sing:"Our flag is proudly flying on the land and on the main. Shout, shout the battle cry of feeedom. Beneath it oft we've conquered and we'll conquer once again. Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom. Our Dixie forever, she's never at a loss, down with the eagle, and up with the cross. We will rally 'round the battle flag, we'll rally once again. Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom"

7 posted on 06/16/2005 4:37:17 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

It is my understanding that a Union sharpsooter on the sinking Houstatonic spotted candle-light through the window that Dixon was using to navigate. He shot at it, killing Dixon, and allowing the Hunley to flood and sink.


8 posted on 06/16/2005 4:41:42 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LexBaird
What does the H.L. designate?

It wasn't a prefix, like USS or CSS. The primary financial backer of the project was named Horace L. Hunley.

9 posted on 06/16/2005 4:42:24 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
I shall refrain from submarine jokes.

I shall refrain from submarine jokes.

I shall refrain from submarine jokes...

10 posted on 06/16/2005 4:43:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Steely Tom

The fatal design flaw was the screen door.


11 posted on 06/16/2005 4:44:28 PM PDT by nvcdl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: LexBaird
What does the H.L. designate?

Horace Lawson

12 posted on 06/16/2005 4:55:53 PM PDT by Doohickey (CO during fire drill: "Are we conducting a training evolution or porpoising for the hell of it?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Billthedrill
Lots of old sailing ships had headlights...


13 posted on 06/16/2005 4:56:05 PM PDT by mikrofon (High Beams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

Why does the French Navy use glass bottom boats?























So they can see the old French Navy.


14 posted on 06/16/2005 4:58:35 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

First submarine prototype was during the revolutionary war.

Entirely muscle powered.

Weapon was a hand opperated drill.

Was tried once. Would have worked if the British War ship hadn't been iron shod.


15 posted on 06/16/2005 5:07:00 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chani
I saw the documentary and made for tv movie, t'was very interesting I thought.

I thought it was really interesting, too.

16 posted on 06/16/2005 5:33:52 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: AzaleaCity5691

It was built in Mobile, Ala. then transported by train to Charleston SC.


17 posted on 06/16/2005 6:18:01 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
They say the Hunley had a series of skylights on top of the hull. Each had a cover which could be closed from inside.

And a screen door which could be used in hot weather.

18 posted on 06/16/2005 6:19:34 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur

Nah... the screen door was a yankee fixture.


19 posted on 06/16/2005 6:21:15 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Liberals --- Aggressively spreading the "Culture of Weakness")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Former Fetus

Exactly, the first submarine to launch a successful strike was constructed in Mobile.

So, not only did we invent Mardi Gras, we invented submarine warfare.


20 posted on 06/16/2005 6:24:53 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (If you want Siegelman to win a 2nd term, by all means, vote for Roy Moore in the primary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: AzaleaCity5691
So, not only did we invent Mardi Gras, we invented submarine warfare, but only one of which will earn you beads.
21 posted on 06/16/2005 6:35:09 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: TASMANIANRED

Actually, it was the "Turtle" and the screw it had to afix the exploding charge to the hull of the target ship was for wood, and the target's bottom was copper clad.


22 posted on 06/16/2005 6:37:31 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
...a series of skylights on top of the hull...was a well-thought-out design...

Probably why we still use skylights on modern subs.

< /sarcasm>

23 posted on 06/16/2005 6:47:41 PM PDT by GingisK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
It is my understanding that a Union sharpsooter on the sinking Houstatonic spotted candle-light through the window that Dixon was using to navigate. He shot at it, killing Dixon, and allowing the Hunley to flood and sink.

To quote the infamous Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter, "Not proven."

Testimony by Capt. Pickering of the Housatonic -- in the records of the Union Navy's Court of Inquiry following the Housatonic's sinking -- states that he discharged both barrels of a shotgun at the light visible through the Hunley's forward "deadlight". The glass in that deadlight is now missing.

AFAIK, examination of Dixon's remains showed no gunshot (or glass fragment) injuries.

It is my personal suspicion that Pickering's shot weakened the glass, and that it then failed when the Hunley submerged to avoid the converging rescue vessels. Or, alternately, that it failed due the concussion from the explosion of the 130 (not 90) lbs of cannon powder in the torpedo.


24 posted on 06/16/2005 9:02:53 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner; Former Fetus
Ooops -- intended to copy you on #23, as well.

BTW, I hosted a forum on the torpedo and its deployment mechanism for the Hunley Recovery team before the Hunley was raised. AFAIK, we were the first to propose that the torpedo was deployed from the bottom of the bow, on a 18-20-foot iron pipe , and articulated via a "Y"-yoke so as to be deployed at a downward angle of 30 degrees for attack. (Attack angle based on superimposed CAD images of both vessels at the moment of contact.)

After we made that prediction, Mark Ragan, one of the best authors of Hunley history books, sent us the above drawing. Note the 30-degree angle of the socket where it attached to the pipe...

25 posted on 06/16/2005 9:14:04 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: TXnMA; stainlessbanner; Former Fetus
Ooops -- intended to copy you on #23 #24, as well. :-(
26 posted on 06/16/2005 9:19:27 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Chani
Thanks Chani, for the ping. Adding to the GGG catalog, but not pingin' the list.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

27 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: TXnMA

Fantastic. Thanks for sharing your research. You are an authority on the Hunley.


28 posted on 06/17/2005 6:43:58 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
Perhaps on some aspects of the armament...

And I have followed the (in-lab) excavation, analysis, and restoration with great interest -- via WebCam.

29 posted on 06/17/2005 7:13:38 AM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Redleg Duke; TASMANIANRED

I thought Tas was joking about the "Turtle" until Redleg posted his message, which seemed to take the earlier one seriously. So I Googled.

Amazing! Sounds like something out of a Monty Python skit.

FR is an educational powerhouse.


30 posted on 06/17/2005 7:23:50 AM PDT by Jedidah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Jedidah

There are some things I kid about and some things I don't.

First Submarine wasn't one of them.

LOL.

Same guy was responsible for another amazing invention but it is slipping my memory at the moment.


31 posted on 06/17/2005 7:44:41 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner; Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; ...
OK, speaking of Submarine Skylights, how's this?

OCEAN LENS: Subs Perform Surface Missions Without a Periscope


The all-seeing eye: The Virtual Periscope DCS (data collection sensor) mounted atop the sail of USS CHICAGO SSN-721. The upward looking optical sensor gathers the light that penetrates the ocean surface and sends the imagery to the inboard processor.

32 posted on 06/17/2005 7:45:39 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redleg Duke

LOL.

Iron shod vs copper clad.

There is a joke somewhere.

Thanks for the clarification.


33 posted on 06/17/2005 7:47:28 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Jedidah; TASMANIANRED

Although Bushnell's Turtle did not succeed in sinking its target, it made the British ships nervous enough that they left the harbor.


34 posted on 06/17/2005 7:48:55 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
Did it have screen doors, too?

:^/

35 posted on 06/17/2005 7:50:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

I once did an ICEX where they cut a hole in the port lookout pooka clamshell and mounted a camera in there. It worked pretty well - especially when we took a group of female midshipmen out and did a swim call :)


36 posted on 06/17/2005 7:59:36 AM PDT by Doohickey (CO during fire drill: "Are we conducting a training evolution or porpoising for the hell of it?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Probably totally freaked them out.


37 posted on 06/17/2005 8:21:48 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

No kidding! I'd be nervous, too.

LOVE your tagline. It's so true.


38 posted on 06/17/2005 8:45:31 AM PDT by Jedidah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson