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Home-schooled girl fights for band spot
Lincoln Journal Star ^ | June 18, 2005 | Kendra Waltke

Posted on 06/18/2005 8:15:49 AM PDT by Graybeard58

Before the parade passes her by, Tiffany Hasley will stand up for her right to perform with the Beatrice High School marching band. She'll be on the corner of 13th and Court streets in Beatrice at 8:30 a.m. this morning, all lined up for today's Homestead Days Parade.

Clarinet in hand, standing tall in her stiff new band shoes, she plans to leave quietly when school officials tell her she cannot march. Because the home-schooled eighth-grader does not want to make a scene, just a point. That is: Home-school students should be allowed to participate in any public school activity, as long as they pay taxes and live within the school district.

"I'm not in tears," she said. "But I'm kind of mad. My band teacher says I'm a good student. And I am first-chair clarinet."

Beatrice High School officials told Tiffany last month that she would not be able to participate in band next year as a ninth-grader. The school bars home-school students from being in activities regulated by the Nebraska School Activities Association.

Tiffany's parents, Ron and Vicki Hasley, plan to fight the school's decision, maybe even in court. But, at least for this summer, they figured she could still play with the band.

That's not the case, they learned Wednesday when band director Bruce Greenwell told Tiffany just before practice that Superintendent Dale Kruse decided she should sit out Saturday's parade. On Friday, the Hasleys received a formal letter from Kruse stating the same.

"They say she isn't registered, but no one has to be registered until school starts this fall," said Ron Hasley. "Really, quote me that policy. Show me that statute."

Both Kruse and BHS activities director Randy Coleman were unavailable for comment Friday.

But Roger Harris, attorney for the Beatrice school board, said the decision is consistent with school policy. No one can play in the band unless they are registered, full-time students at the school, he said.

"Even though marching in the parade is an informal thing, it's not open to just anyone," Harris said.

"Say a student from Wymore wanted to march. Would anyone care? Probably not. But the perception is, ‘This is the Beatrice High School band,' and we have to protect that."

Whether homeschool students can be in marching band is at the discretion of each school, said Jim Tenopir, director of the NSAA.

Band members can practice or perform at non-NSAA events such as parades or high school football games. But for competitive activities, the NSAA only allows students from accredited schools to compete against other students.

NSAA eligibility rules ensure that high school students keep up their grades and attend school regularly, or they cannot compete, Tenopir said.

Enforcing the very specific and rigid rules among homeschoolers would be impossible, he said.

"You are probably not going to hear a parent say, ‘I caught my kid smoking so please don't let him play football,'" Tenopir said.

But some state senators would like to change both school policies and NSAA rules to include homeschool students.

Legislative bills addressing that issue have been introduced for the past few years, most recently by Sens. Phil Erdman and Mike Foley. But none of the bills have made it out of committee.

Ron Hasley said he's "a constitution kind of guy," who will pursue the issue, not only for his daughter but for other homeschool students.

"I pay taxes," he said. "I'm asking for a service, and I'm not getting it. I hope what happens here sets precedence for the state."


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: beatricehs; education; educationnews; homeschool; publiceducation; publicschools; schoolband; students
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To: onevoter
If this girl doesn't attend school then she is not among the head count for the district, meaining the school does NOT receive any money for her. I have nothing against home-schooling, but with it comes choices and sacrifices - this is one of those sacrifices.

Not exactly. In many states, the homeschoolers are required to provide attendance records to the school district - so that the school district can claim the state and/or federal assistance money for that child. Further, the local school taxes paid by the family still go to the school district.

As far as choices and sacifices, the sacrifice is borne by the family - they pay TWICE for their child's education. First, through taxes. Second, through spending their own time and money to school at home. To now say that, barring state laws that preclude her participation (a whole other issue), her musical talents must be sacrificed on the altar of NEA control doesn't make sense.

101 posted on 06/18/2005 10:30:50 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: DaGman
"Are you suggesting that since my daughter goes to a private school and not a public school that she should be allowed to participate in extracurricular activities at the local public school because I pay school taxes?"

Yeah. Sports and band. Chess club, too. If your private school doesn't offer it.

102 posted on 06/18/2005 10:31:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Home's cool.)
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To: wyattearp

"Why don't I get the percentage of MY taxes that goes to public schools refunded?"

Creeping Socialism.


103 posted on 06/18/2005 10:35:24 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Born in a Rage

Nobody is "entitled" to be in a band in a school that they are not attending. She should be allowed to be in the school band just because she plays an instrument and lives in the area? That's ridiculous. Her parents made the decision to home-school her, let them live with the consequences of that decision.


104 posted on 06/18/2005 10:37:38 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...and it pays off richly in mutual good will.

Yes! Said more clearly than me with the conclusion I want! All people paid by government taxes should be required to be community-freindly. All these public service unions have become little socialist cells and enclaves. It is time to make public service respectable again. It is 75 years from 1930 and it is time for a change here, don't you think?

105 posted on 06/18/2005 10:41:45 AM PDT by BobS
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To: durasell

"People will complain about tax monies buying books that aren't to their taste"

A good reson to stop government funding of groups like PBS, NPR and the UN. Nothing tasteful about leftists.


106 posted on 06/18/2005 10:43:49 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Born in a Rage
Because you are not being denied a service that you are entitled to receive.

I see. So, if somebody is being "denied a service" that they are "entitled to receive", they should get their money back, but if somebody else is paying through the nose for that "entitlement" with no intention of ever using the "service", they should have to continue to pay through the nose?

It never ceases to amaze me how home-schooling parents consistently demand that they should get MY money back in THEIR pocket. I want MY money back in MY pocket!

107 posted on 06/18/2005 10:46:40 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Yep. The constitution states that the government is supposed to "promote the general education and welfare", not provide it.
108 posted on 06/18/2005 10:48:44 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp
She's entitled because she lives in the district and her parents pay taxes to support the band program. She WOULD be attending if they let her attend - albeit part-time. What don't you get about this?
109 posted on 06/18/2005 10:48:55 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Born in a Rage

Must depend on the state you live in because what you KNOW doesn't apply in my state. Payment is based on core classes - not extra-curriculars.


110 posted on 06/18/2005 10:50:54 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: Non-Sequitur
"That should not automatically entitle them to a refund on their taxes.

In contract law, no one is allowed to pay for services they don't use. Apply this logic to the tax reform question. Shreiks and bellows will be heard coast-to-coast.

111 posted on 06/18/2005 10:52:09 AM PDT by BobS
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To: Born in a Rage
She's entitled because she lives in the district and her parents pay taxes to support the band program. She WOULD be attending if they let her attend - albeit part-time. What don't you get about this?

You said it yourself, but you don't seem to understand it:

She WOULD be attending if they let her attend...

This was the parent's decision. They decided to opt out of the public school system. The school band is part of the public school system. It was their decision. They have to live with it.

112 posted on 06/18/2005 10:52:53 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: BobS

In contract law, no one is allowed to pay for services they don't use.

Of course you're ALLOWED to pay for services you don't use. I can order cable TV, not use it, but pay my bill every month. The cable TV company won't tell me I'm not allowed to pay.


113 posted on 06/18/2005 10:54:12 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: wyattearp
Well, then you should be on your knees thanking people who homeschool their kids because we make school taxes that much lower for everyone who pays school taxes. If there are 300 homeschoolers in your district and the public school spend 10,000 per kid - then the public just saved 300,000. Shame on you for thinking it would be such a travesty for you to "allow" a little girl to play in the school band as a part-timer - wow. I hope I never become that bitter of a person.
114 posted on 06/18/2005 10:54:42 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Oberon
Ummm...because public school education just generally sucks for about a hundred reasons?

I've sent three children through Lincoln Public Schools. One marched in the East High band for four years. i found the education they received to be uniformaly high quality, and I'm tired of knee-jerk attacks on the public school system. Some public schools suck, some don't. Some homeschooled kids get a decent education, some don't.

115 posted on 06/18/2005 10:55:38 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: wyattearp

It's also THEIR decision to let her attend to play in the band. Get it?


116 posted on 06/18/2005 10:55:58 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: beavus
She's paying for it. It is hers.

I pay taxes. I currently have no kids in the school district. What do I get?

117 posted on 06/18/2005 10:57:03 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I pay taxes. I currently have no kids in the school district. What do I get?

Uh, a community in which the kids have a better chance of finding a job and less motive for bonking you on the head for your wallet? Perhaps a few high achievers who leave the community for higher education and then come back as doctors or civil engineers? It's a long list...


118 posted on 06/18/2005 10:59:36 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You get 'educated' people in your neighborhood. If you think the public school is SO great, you should welcome homeschooler's into it, at least part time.
119 posted on 06/18/2005 11:00:16 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: durasell
Uh, a community in which the kids have a better chance of finding a job and less motive for bonking you on the head for your wallet? Perhaps a few high achievers who leave the community for higher education and then come back as doctors or civil engineers? It's a long list...

In other words, exactly what these homeschooling parents get. Now tell me again why they're entitled to something extra?

120 posted on 06/18/2005 11:01:08 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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