Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hydrogen fuel means cleaner air
Sacramento Bee ^ | June 18, 2005 | Alan C. Lloyd -- Special To The Bee

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:26:00 PM PDT by calcowgirl

It's clean and invisible, and it will take our cars farther than we ever dreamed. Hydrogen could be the fuel in our grandchildren's cars, or perhaps even our own, but only if we invest now.

(snip)

Generated by a variety of sources, some of them clean and renewable, hydrogen is not a pipe dream. While hybrid vehicles do reduce our dependence on foreign oil and clean our air, we also must invest in totally eliminating our dependence on fossil fuels and their related air emissions.

Hydrogen is the simplest and lightest element. It can be produced from molecules called hydrocarbons by applying heat. This process is currently used to make hydrogen out of compressed natural gas (CNG) and is the cheapest method of its production. CNG contains some of the hydrogen that is produced, and it also provides the energy needed to separate this hydrogen out. The rest of the hydrogen comes from steam that is added during the process. As technologies progress, renewable, nonpolluting fuel sources such as solar energy will be used, creating cleaner means of hydrogen production.

Currently, vehicles running on CNG are effective in combating harmful emissions. Some hydrogen critics question continuing to devote resources into hydrogen fuel cells while current technology is working. It's because the progress we put into hydrogen now will let us get rid of nonrenewable sources in the future. California will become a true protector of natural resources.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has set the wheels in motion, pledging to take California to "the environmental future" by way of hydrogen. The Vision 2010 outlined in his Hydrogen Highway Network Action Plan would ensure that, by 2010, every Californian would have access to hydrogen fuel along the state's highways, with an increasing percentage of that hydrogen produced from clean, renewable resources.

(snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: alanclloyd; ballard; calepa; energy; environment; greengovernor; hydrogen; hydrogenhighway; schwarzenegger
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-72 next last
About the writer: Alan C. Lloyd, Ph.D., is secretary of the California Environmental Protection Agency and former chair of the California Air Resources Board. He can be reached at calepa@calepa.ca.gov.

Find out more about hydrogen at www.hydrogenhighway.ca.gov

1 posted on 06/19/2005 6:26:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl

The same author who wrote this article would be the first to don his hippie threads and protest in front of all the nuclear reactors that would have to be built to sustain a hydrogen economy.


2 posted on 06/19/2005 6:27:54 PM PDT by pcx99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
Hydrogen fuel means cleaner air

And to what price level will gasoline have to rise before hydrogen fuel becomes comparatively economical?

3 posted on 06/19/2005 6:29:05 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Harsh not my mellow)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: martin_fierro

The last reports I've seen is that presently around $6.00/gallon although once the economies of scale kick in that would drop to around $4.

Hyrdogen is not cheaper than hydrocarbons.


4 posted on 06/19/2005 6:30:45 PM PDT by pcx99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: pcx99

Ditto that........ Nukes are the only win-win method of producing hydrogen.


5 posted on 06/19/2005 6:32:10 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl

"some of them clean and renewable"

The accent there should be on SOME.

My brohter in law is a chemist, and he tells me that getting it from natural gas yields a bi-product of CO2.

Not so nice, Huh?


6 posted on 06/19/2005 6:34:30 PM PDT by Pessimist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
Isn't hydrogen highly volitile?
7 posted on 06/19/2005 6:36:29 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! (ours, not theirs!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: martin_fierro

Check out BLPD on stock market.....The are using fuel cells that can use any thing that produces methane, from corn through garbage.
Purdue University recently received a grant to produce the brakes for the cars (a major problem) and most of the major auto manufactures are buying stock (DC, Ford, Nissan, Tyota etc....It's cheap right now, but expected to go up in the next five years)

The state of Michigan gave the company several acres in the Detroit area to build their new factory) They are currently building buses for large cities and have several on back order.


8 posted on 06/19/2005 6:41:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ron in Acreage

Only bi-product on the buses is 100% pure water.


9 posted on 06/19/2005 6:42:29 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pessimist

See post above.....Have been following the development since the founder was recognized in 2000. Lots of progress since then. "W" greeted a car made with their product at the WH last year....It had driven cross country from CA....again the only bi-product was H2O. Modified commercial car....FOrd or CHevy IIRC.


10 posted on 06/19/2005 6:45:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: pcx99
Hyrdogen is not cheaper than hydrocarbons.
zactly. I can't believe that anything is cheaper than raw feedstock that is pumped out of the ground ...
11 posted on 06/19/2005 6:47:55 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
The "new" diesel gas made with soybean is now on sale at our local Farm Bureau Co-op....It's cheaper than the gasoline.
12 posted on 06/19/2005 6:50:47 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Pessimist
Your brother-in-law is correct. Natural gas is about 95% methane, and you get hydrogen by combining it with steam:

CH4 + 2 H2O => CO2 + 4 H2

If you also do the math on the energetics, including the huge energy losses in using hydrogen as the carrier, you'll find that for the same amount of "gas mileage" you generate more CO2 from the natural gas than you would from gasoline.

13 posted on 06/19/2005 6:52:34 PM PDT by John Locke
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl

Uhhhhhh...No. Hydrogen must be manufactured...only practical non-polluting way would be to construct many more nuke plants, (not that I am against that)...but if you are going to do that, just invest the $ in new battery technology and go with electric cars...(skip the hydrogen "Middleman").


14 posted on 06/19/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by Drago
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama
Here's the picture from the General Motor web page


15 posted on 06/19/2005 6:58:33 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

OOps forgot the link to the page.

http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/adv_tech/index.html


16 posted on 06/19/2005 7:00:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl; Dick Bachert
RETHINKING NUCLEAR POWER

The New American - Rethinking Nuclear Power - April 23, 2001
 
Related Sidebar Stories

The First Man-made Nuclear Reactor

How Does a Nuclear Reactor Work?

Where Will the Next Generation of Nuclear Engineers Come From?

17 posted on 06/19/2005 7:00:24 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pessimist
My brohter in law is a chemist, and he tells me that getting it from natural gas yields a bi-product of CO2. Not so nice, Huh?

My brother in law is a jerk and says that we could drink selzer with CO2 instead of plain water, methink mucho nicer!

18 posted on 06/19/2005 7:03:26 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama
The "new" diesel gas made with soybean is now on sale at our local Farm Bureau Co-op....It's cheaper than the gasoline.
And - how much of that is subsidized?

See, if it were TRULY 'cheaper than gasoline' I believe we'd be 'drowning' in that stuff ...

19 posted on 06/19/2005 7:08:32 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: _Jim

DOn't know the answer to the subsidy question, but do know that they aren't the only one to carry it....If supply and demand are the issues....They're having a bit of problem keeping up with the demand....BTW the same station was the first to offer lead free gasoline....It's everywhere now, but IIRC it was initially subsidized.

There was a very informative article in our local paper, but that was last year. If you are interested I'm sure the Soy bean farmers have material on the intrenet.


20 posted on 06/19/2005 7:18:16 PM PDT by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-72 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson