Posted on 06/19/2005 7:32:42 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
DPA , TAIPEI
Sunday, Jun 19, 2005,Page 3
Advertising China's newly-developed submarine-launched Ju Lang-2 missile serves as a warning to the US not to underestimate Beijing's military power, Taiwanese military experts said yesterday.
"The Ju Lang-2 poses a great threat to the US because it has better precision and guidance and is harder to detect," said Weng Ming-hsien, a professor from the Institute of Strategic Studies at the Tamkang University.
"China wants to tell the US that it has never stopped developing nuclear arms. China also wants to warn Russia not to get too close to the US," he said.
Weng said China probably would deploy the Ju Lang-2, which carries nuclear warheads, on its Han-class nuclear submarines.
Lee Shih-ping, a military expert specializing in warplanes and warships, said Ju Lang-2 posed a new security threat to the US because it could be fired from the sea and reach the US interior.
"China now has a platform to carry and fire nuclear arms. It now ranks along with Britain, France, Russia and the US as the countries which have nuclear capability. Ju Lang-2 is a more lethal weapon and it is a weapon for invasion," he said.
Both Weng and Li said that the test-firing of Ju Lang-2 on July 16 last year was a warning for the US not to meddle in China's affairs, especially the Taiwan issue.
The Japanese government said Friday that China on Thursday had test-fired the Ju Lang-2 missile, a modified version of China's Dongfeng-31 intercontinental ballistic missile.
Ju Lang-2 was believed to have been fired from a nuclear sub in waters off Qingdao, landing in a desert in China several thousand kilometers away.
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Warnings Suck.
China should think about their growth and maturation process. Sounding and acting like a bully with no redeeming virtues is annoying the neighborhood.
China's stockpile of ICBMs of all forms sits around 100. Of these, many are of questionable technical suitability for the task. The bulk would be lost to our current system of NMD without hitting anything on our soil. (HAARP)
The return strike from us would be epoch ending for the Chicoms.
Note to ChiComs: STFU, you arrogant little pissants.
Good point. Walmart stock price ping.
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Tidbit about this missile and the subs it's on. This is dated as of 2002, so I guess our intel wasn;t that bad after all.
CREDIBILITY: D+
A new class of SSBN has been developed to replace the Type 092 Xia class SSBN currently in service. Designated Type 094, the new SSBN is essentially a Type 093 hull extended to carry SLBM launch tubes. The Type 093, in turn, is based on the Russian Victor III, developed with Russian assistance. Janes Information Group believes the new submarine will house up to 16 SLBMs of a completely new design. Known as the JL-2 (CSS-NX-4), the new SLBM may carry up to 4 MIRVed warheads (90 kiloton each) or a single 250 kiloton warhead with a range of about 4,800 miles. A modified Golf class submarine is serving as the test platform for the new missile. The ONI expected that the first Type 094 hull is to be built by 2005, and a total of 3 hulls will be completed by 2010.
From: http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/newnavy.htm
It sure would've been nice to have visited China in a few years.
Thanks.
Wake up, folks!
I don't keep tabs on how many Russian boomers etc., have gone by the wayside, e.g. simply cannot maintain, rusting away at docks, etc., but if our sub fleet has many less Russkies to track we just will keep these Chicom subs in check. Any of their subs get within the radius for their missiles to be effective, our hunters will be right on their ass.
I suspect we have their subs under tight observation. Easier to dump on one sub than a stack of incoming missiles (but we're working on that one too)!
Actually they have no operational boomers yet. They had one, but the missiles were removed a few years ago and it's sitting at the dock. They may have their first one this year. Problem for them is that China is effectively land locked from an accoustical perspective, if you look at their coast there are islands all around them owned by people who do not like them. Think SOSUS.
We will do with them what we did with the Soviets, pick up their subs as they left Murmansk and follow them with one of our LA class. We've been playing this game for 40 years.
"I suspect we have their subs under tight observation. Easier to dump on one sub than a stack of incoming missiles (but we're working on that one too)!"
Roger that. I follow you on this one. And they know what is in store some ten years down the pike.
"Actually they have no operational boomers yet. They had one, but the missiles were removed a few years ago and it's sitting at the dock. They may have their first one this year."
Good pronouncment. Incidentally forget to say your DE1038 pic sure looks nice, in earlier exchanges.
Yes, as you indicated, the Chicoms understand that as they produce boomers, we shall be right on their tails. It will be as easy as with the Russkies as you mentioned. They don't have the means for a long time to build stations elsewhere, at least I hope not. Guess South America is going to come into play as is Cuba, but then Cuba would be a ridiculus choice being only 90 miles from Key West NAS, and so close to our east coast in general. They would be boxed in from day one. Surely the POTUS and crew are working out these issues, and the South American Trade agreements take certain things into account. Nothing just happens by chance.
Chasing subs was what DE-1038 did for a living. Quite often above the artic circle. Was fun stuff. Very heady for a young kid to be in CIC helping out.
Sadly the McCloy was an in between boat. It was a transitional boat to the 1052 class. We had the older 600PSI boilers, but the most advanced sonar at the time the sqs-26. She rode really bad. My bunk was up forward right under the asroc launcher. Anytime we had any kind of bad weather we'd have sea water slopping around the deck. You'll notive the bow was kind of narrow, and not sloped up and out like other ships (called a hurricane bow). We used to drive right into big swells rather then lifting over them.
My last year on board we actually had the first SURTASS in the Navy installed in the hangar bay. We were a mobile SOSUS station. Very interesting adventures.
One thing about the ChiComs is they have just completed a major naval base in Pakistan. That is troubling. It's meant to give them a presence in the Indian Ocean and protect their supply of oil. But then we have Diego Garcia. Checkmate
Bump & ping
I wonder just how much Loral technology is in that missile...
Thank you Bill Clinton!
Mark
"One thing about the ChiComs is they have just completed a major naval base in Pakistan. That is troubling. It's meant to give them a presence in the Indian Ocean and protect their supply of oil. But then we have Diego Garcia. Checkmate"
Thanks for your story about your sea adventures. Biggest ship I was ever on in real rough weather was a Navy Picket Boat, 45 footer, triple hull water cypress. Heh heh. I was a Sea Explorer back in the early sixties out of Philadelphia, PA. So we would take the "Ranger" out into the Atlantic on occasions via. the Delware and Chesapeak Bays.
Oh yes. The picket boat was built by William and Stuwurt, I believe out of San Diego in 1943 period. Orignal had twin packard engines, and 24/24 props. We had Grey Marine Desiels installed when we purchased it from the Navy in 1959. Of course the cost was $1.03 back then. So I had many years of learning basic seamenship, navigation and later on piloting skills. Loved it.
Have a good morning I gotta hit the sack. eyes are bleary.
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