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High Court: Govts Can Take Property for Econ Development
Bloomberg News

Posted on 06/23/2005 7:30:08 AM PDT by Helmholtz

U.S. Supreme Court says cities have broad powers to take property.


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1 posted on 06/23/2005 7:30:08 AM PDT by Helmholtz
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To: Helmholtz; All

This stinks!!


2 posted on 06/23/2005 7:30:41 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: Helmholtz

The Supreme Court really sucks.


3 posted on 06/23/2005 7:31:26 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Helmholtz

Not a good day for private property owners ~ Bump!


4 posted on 06/23/2005 7:31:54 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Helmholtz

Whaaa????


5 posted on 06/23/2005 7:32:33 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: Helmholtz

Bye bye property rights. First they take our money, now they take our property. Imminent Domain rearing its ugly head.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 7:32:51 AM PDT by Helmholtz
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To: Helmholtz
Here are all the day's rulings, from SCOTUSblog:

The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that a local government may seize private property for purposes of profit-making private development, declaring that this constitutes a "public use" under the Constitution. (Kelo v. New London, 04-108).

The Court decided that it is unconstitutional to deny a free lawyer to an individual who has pleaded guilty to a crime and seeks permission to appeal. The 6-3 decision came in the case of Halbert v. Michigan (03-10198). Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg announced the decision.

In a second decision authored by Justice Ginsburg, the Court ruled by a 7-2 vote that an amended habeas petition cannot avoid the federal habeas one-year filing deadline, when it makes a new claim that is based on facts differing from those in the original pleading. The case was Mayle v. Felix (04-563).

In the third ruling of the day, announced by Justice Clarence Thomas, the Court ruled unanimously that the federal government retains its sovereign immunity and thus cannot be sued by farmers claiming that the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation reduced deliveries of water to a water supply district in order to protect endangered species of fish. (Orff v. U.S., 03-1566)

The Court, dividing 5-4, clarified the power of federal courts to decide lawsuits that involve some parties who do not satisfy the basic requirement that their claims must be worth more than $75,000. In an opinion written by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the Court ruled that, if one party satisfies that amount minimum, the claims of others in the case may be decided even if those are for less than $75,000. The ruling came in the consolidated cases of Exxon Corp. v. Allapattah Services (04-70) and Ortega v. Star-Kist Foods (04-79).

In a 7-2 ruling in a habeas case, the Court ruled that that a rule 60-b motion seeking to challenge a District Court ruling on the statute of limitations for filing habeas petitions is not a successive petition, and thus may be decided by the District Court without prior permission from a Circuit Court. The ruling, announced by Justice Antonin Scalia, came in Gonzalez v. Crosby (04-6432).

Further decisions will come on Monday.

7 posted on 06/23/2005 7:32:52 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Helmholtz

Renting looks better and better.


8 posted on 06/23/2005 7:33:03 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Helmholtz

U.S. Supreme Court = Mother Government

"For the common good" (and more money for us)


9 posted on 06/23/2005 7:33:36 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: poobear
Not surprised, I'm waiting for a better housing assignment. Anyone with any idea of how long I'll have to wait????
10 posted on 06/23/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: AntiGuv
The tyrant is unmasked, we the people have lost all our rights. The government is our supreme master, we live to serve the state.
11 posted on 06/23/2005 7:39:21 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Helmholtz

Stinks? Sucks?? That is far too mild. Private property rights in the country is now dead. Economic freedom cannot survive very long without private property rights.

This court is gotten so far out of line, it is almost treasonous. They are basing decisions on public opinion, on international law, on international opinion. What ever happened to basing decisions on THE CONSTITUTION??

This is very very serious and will have very serious implications for the future of this country.

And no, I do not think I am over-reacting.


12 posted on 06/23/2005 7:39:50 AM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Helmholtz

Wow. This is bad. Very bad. How could anybody possibly see Wal-Marts and hotels and other private development as deserving of eminent domain?

My father's business was almost destroyed 40 years ago when the Commonwealth of Virginia condemned his auto shop and land and paid him about $.10 on the dollar for it, in order to build a four-lane bypass through it. He had to relocate and rebuild miles away on other property he owned. I can't even imagine the same thing happening just so a private owner can put in a business that'll kick back tax revenue to a municipality so they can spend it to increase their power!

}:-)4


13 posted on 06/23/2005 7:39:56 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia--commemorating 140 years of Yankee occupation.)
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To: eyespysomething
The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that a local government may seize private property for purposes of profit-making private development, declaring that this constitutes a "public use" under the Constitution

In case you hadn't seen this yet.

14 posted on 06/23/2005 7:41:38 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Helmholtz
This freakin' totally stinks!!! It is so very bad.

Forget about the stupid amendments to ban burning the flag...how about an amendment to protect people's homes!?!

The lousy pieces of human crap. A total waste of skin.
15 posted on 06/23/2005 7:42:27 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Helmholtz

Who were the 5?


16 posted on 06/23/2005 7:43:44 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Helmholtz

This is going to make big headlines in Michigan, where the memory of GM's Poletown plant still burns hot. An entire neighborhood was devestated when the place was shoved down the throats of citizens, and the Michigan Supreme Court finally ruled it was a wrongful taking...far too late to do any good.

This is VERY bad news. Just which so-called "justices" voted for this?


17 posted on 06/23/2005 7:44:21 AM PDT by Kieri
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To: Helmholtz

This is not good.


18 posted on 06/23/2005 7:44:35 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Helmholtz
Unbelievable.

No, too believable.

19 posted on 06/23/2005 7:44:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: nuffsenuff

John Paul Stevens authored the opinion - dunno who the other four are yet (it was 5-4).


20 posted on 06/23/2005 7:45:10 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Tatze

Apparently Panic Ensues on an hourly basis here.


21 posted on 06/23/2005 7:45:11 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Helmholtz

And the Govt will read that ruling as Carte Blanche!


22 posted on 06/23/2005 7:45:49 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: AntiGuv

I want to know what the hell those 5 were thinking.


23 posted on 06/23/2005 7:45:53 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Helmholtz

I hope Krystal was right this morning when he said that O'Connor is getting ready to retire.


24 posted on 06/23/2005 7:46:07 AM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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To: AntiGuv
The TRAITORS:

John Paul Stevens
Anthony Kennedy
David H. Souter
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Stephen G. Breyer

They are ALL deserving of IMPEACHMENT! Are any of these traitors planning to retire in the next 3 years?

26 posted on 06/23/2005 7:46:56 AM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Moose4

"I can't even imagine the same thing happening just so a private owner can put in a business that'll kick back tax revenue to a municipality so they can spend it to increase their power!"

Don't you understand? Being poor or middle class does not best serve the common good (read scum sucker pockets). Such people must be discarded from the tax base as they serve no public use. /sarc


27 posted on 06/23/2005 7:47:12 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: grizzly84

Would you want to invest in private property anymore, knowing the government could swoop in and steal it at any time, for any reason??


28 posted on 06/23/2005 7:48:22 AM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Jaysun; nuffsenuff

O'Connor was in the dissent. The majority was: John Paul Stevens (author), Anthony Kennedy, John Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer.


29 posted on 06/23/2005 7:48:24 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Helmholtz
Son of a b*tch.

You've gotta be kidding me.

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

Impeachment. Treason. Socialist, communist, fascist SCUM.

This CANNOT stand. I'm so pissed off right now I can hardly think straight.

30 posted on 06/23/2005 7:49:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: AntiGuv

Well now. The only way to overcome this is for Congress to pass a law that voids the decision. They can do it, but how to get it done?


31 posted on 06/23/2005 7:49:33 AM PDT by Flint
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To: Moose4

They pulled the same thing on home owners in my parents neighbourhood in charlottesville for the proposed 29 bypass....which has yet to be built.

I'm very nervous about this ruling as our city and county governments have already demonstrated a supremem lack of respect for property rights.


32 posted on 06/23/2005 7:49:47 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: AntiGuv

This is the most obscene thing I have ever seen the SC do, there is no longer private property in the usa. We paid outrageous property taxes and then whenever the state wants they can just take our property and give it to whoever they want? And that is according to the SC legal?


33 posted on 06/23/2005 7:49:58 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: La Enchiladita

For your daily dose of high blood pressure...


34 posted on 06/23/2005 7:50:15 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: Moose4
... I can't even imagine the same thing happening just so a private owner can put in a business that'll kick back tax revenue to a municipality ...

In the 1981 Poletown decision, the Michigan Supreme Court allowed the City of Detroit to bulldoze an entire neighborhood, complete with more than 1,000 residences, 600 businesses, and numerous churches, in order to give the property to General Motors for an auto plant. That case set the precedent, both in Michigan and across the country, for widespread abuse of the power of eminent domain. It sent the signal that courts would not interfere, no matter how private the purpose of the taking.

http://www.ij.org/private_property/michigan/7_31_04pr.html


35 posted on 06/23/2005 7:50:15 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AntiGuv

I wonder if they are "immune" from all out Rebellion. That is where we are headed due to sh*t like this.


36 posted on 06/23/2005 7:50:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Helmholtz

Well My family is now screwed. Our property is going to be seized by the cityhall next door to us now.


37 posted on 06/23/2005 7:51:52 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Helmholtz

I want to see the Preseident come out fast and hard against this decision, and stand up for property owners rights on this issue. On this he must take a stand.


38 posted on 06/23/2005 7:52:18 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: moehoward

I only rent. People are raving about the high real estate prices and how much they have made. But unless they are selling, and moving somewhere much less expensive or renting, the gain is only on paper. And all it means is a much larger property tax bill each year, which is another example of where who really owns the land?


39 posted on 06/23/2005 7:52:20 AM PDT by ran15
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To: Helmholtz

Sigh. . .


40 posted on 06/23/2005 7:52:33 AM PDT by Flyer (Nuthin' finer than a grackle crap marinade for fixin' those word famous Houston face fajitas)
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To: AntiGuv

I'm not surprised in the least by this list.


41 posted on 06/23/2005 7:54:11 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: AntiGuv
I will have to read this opinion from the court web site. It violates just about everything this country was founded on. If the Republicans don't grow a pair over this and rearrange the courts, then they are as bad as the dems.
I say no to socialism forever. When I get the decision in it's entirety and lower my blood pressure enough, I will write all of my representatives from the President on down to the county commissioner. It's time to bring the socialists to heel.
42 posted on 06/23/2005 7:54:18 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Tatze

A black day by the signatures of those five.


43 posted on 06/23/2005 7:54:47 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Jaysun
In fact, check this out: Supreme Court Rules Cities May Seize Homes

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

FWIW, O'Connor is liberal mainly on a handful of social issues, in particular abortion, which tends to get her vilified more than perhaps she should overall.

44 posted on 06/23/2005 7:55:06 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Helmholtz
While the opinion by Justice John Paul Stevens said that a local government could not take homeowners' property "simply to confer a private benefit on a particular private party," the New London. Conn., project involved in this case was "a carefully considered development plan." While the resulting project would not be open for use by the general public, the Court said, there is no literal requirement of that outcome.

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"When rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
Miranda ~vs~ Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

"When all government, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the Center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."
– Thomas Jefferson

Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.
Justice James Wilson, a signer of the Declaration, the Constitution, Original Justice on the U. S. Supreme Court, and the father of the first organized legal training in America.

________________________________________________________________________

It's official, we now have an ILLEGITIMATE government.

So that leaves one question......

Is it time YET???

45 posted on 06/23/2005 7:55:13 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity*...nor am I a ~person~ as created by law!!)
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To: Helmholtz
To the rooftops!!

46 posted on 06/23/2005 7:55:57 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: AntiGuv

That should be David Souter of course (mind seizure!)


47 posted on 06/23/2005 7:56:11 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Helmholtz

WTH!


48 posted on 06/23/2005 7:56:13 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (Peas through superior fertilizer!)
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To: Moose4; All

ick....and 6-3 as well.

We really need 2 new conservatives on that court.

Eminent domain was not intended for Wal-Mart.


49 posted on 06/23/2005 7:56:37 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Helmholtz

This is a terrible SCOTUS ruling.

With this...local and state governments will now feel justified in pushing the envelope even further in eminent domain. A related result is that big developers will now court local officials big time...look at the potential paybacks on this...and little possible risk.

Somebody please post the vote breakdown on this issue if you know it.

One more reason why replacing Rehnquist with anyone other that a true conservative would be disastrous...look at what we have now.


50 posted on 06/23/2005 7:56:46 AM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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