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Browser makers warned against ad-blocking
ZDNet..au ^ | 6-23-2005 | Renai LeMay, ZDNet Australia

Posted on 06/23/2005 12:34:42 PM PDT by Uncle Fud

The end of free Internet content will come when Web browsers start blocking online advertisements by default, a DoubleClick executive has warned.

Bennie Smith, the online advertising network's privacy chief, told ZDNet Australia the popularity of tools like Adblock -- an extension to the Mozilla Firefox browser -- which makes blocking online ads simple was tied to "a negative vibe against advertising in general".

However, only the online arena is able to easily produce and widely distribute such tools, he added.

He said if a similar tool could be produced for newspapers, it would not be accepted by consumers.

"You'd go to your local corner shop and buy the daily paper, and you'd have these large holes where the ads were.

"You'd somehow feel like your 25 cents had not gotten full value," he said.

Part of the Internet's value proposition lies in the provision of large amounts of free content. "But that content is not without cost. And that cost is my eyeballs seeing an ad on a page. Or within an e-mail, or next to my search results, or however it's going to come," Smith explained.

If any browser manufacturer considered implementing an ad-blocking feature as a default option, Smith said they should consider their own position as a marketer [of their own products] and a publisher of content.

"They would be harming their own customer relationships to create a short-term, short-sighted, limited-effectiveness tool," he said. "One that they would probably end up having to withdraw from the market."

If enough people started blocking ads, Smith warned that publishers would start charging for content.

"In an offline world, what would happen in that case is that the 25c newspaper would cost $5," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: advertising; annoying; browser; doubleclick; flash; internet; paininrectum; popups
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From the "privacy offier of DoubleClick" (probably a candidate for one of the world's briefest job descriptions)....this is almost child's play to attack - I'll confine myself to saying that the right newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3 and demanded that you punch him before you were allowed to proceed to page 4.
1 posted on 06/23/2005 12:34:44 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Uncle Fud
... newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3

Like an Editorial Page?

2 posted on 06/23/2005 12:36:58 PM PDT by anonymous_user (Not everything's a conspiracy.)
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To: Uncle Fud

I despise DoubleClick and wish that the fleas of a thousand camels would infest the armpits of that executive. Popup and potentially destructive adware should be punishable by the death penalty.

Not that I have an opinion on that or anything.


3 posted on 06/23/2005 12:37:29 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: Uncle Fud

...LOL...

Bet his ancestors were buggy whip makers...

I like the monkey analogy...


4 posted on 06/23/2005 12:38:12 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Uncle Fud
"In an offline world, what would happen in that case is that the 25c newspaper would cost $5," he said.

And almost no one would read it because almost no one's going to pay $5 for a newspaper. How hard is that to figure out?

5 posted on 06/23/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Uncle Fud

I don't mind ads on pages but the pop-ups drive me nuts! I actually read some ads but never, ever pop-ups just because they make me so mad.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 12:38:28 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Uncle Fud

How many people think blocking unwanted pop-ups is a violation of freedom of speech? Show of hands?....Anyone?....Anyone at all?....


7 posted on 06/23/2005 12:38:30 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Uncle Fud

It's always nice to hear from an impartial analyst who's clearly looking out for our best interests.


8 posted on 06/23/2005 12:39:49 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: Uncle Fud
I bet they won't be a fan of the fact that I block most ads using my firewall....

To heck with Doubleclick.

9 posted on 06/23/2005 12:40:32 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Uncle Fud
Next thing you know there will be TV execs that say the fast forward button on VCRs and DVRs are the tools of the devil. Wait, they've already told me I'm stealing by not sitting there and watching commercials.

I just need a way to turn Flash on and off on the fly. I already found a program which messes with the register so that Flash can be stopped, but you have to stop IE, run the program and then run IE again.

10 posted on 06/23/2005 12:41:04 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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To: mlc9852
Exactly. I do not block ads unless they (1) contain sound or animation, (2) popup or pop under (3) excessively slow the loading of the page, or (4) try to install something on my PC.

It's perfectly reasonable to advertise on the net without any of the above.

11 posted on 06/23/2005 12:41:33 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Uncle Fud
I'll confine myself to saying that the right newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3 and demanded that you punch him before you were allowed to proceed to page 4.

You mean your paper doesn't have a screaming monkey?

12 posted on 06/23/2005 12:41:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: Uncle Fud

The only think comparable in print is those cards that fall out of the magazine when you flip through the pages.


13 posted on 06/23/2005 12:42:37 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: KarlInOhio

I use Firefox and have buttons on my toolbar by which I can instantly switch graphics on/off and Flash on/off


14 posted on 06/23/2005 12:42:45 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Uncle Fud
Part of the Internet's value proposition lies in the provision of large amounts of free content. "But that content is not without cost. And that cost is my eyeballs seeing an ad on a page. Or within an e-mail, or next to my search results, or however it's going to come," Smith explained.

No, the cost is a little file, applet, program, or script that the AD places on my computer without my knowledge or consent that tracks everything I do on the computer, steals my email address and then bombards me with spam, and hijacks my browser or worse.

15 posted on 06/23/2005 12:43:10 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Uncle Fud
No, he jumps up on every other page.
16 posted on 06/23/2005 12:43:20 PM PDT by ghitma (MeClaudius)
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To: Petronski

Only in articles about Howard Dean.


17 posted on 06/23/2005 12:43:40 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Petronski
Beats me, I literally can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper.

Oh yeah, it was back when I was housebreaking my bull terrier, that would have been early 2000.

18 posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:21 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: My2Cents
How can you tell if I am raising my hand or not?
19 posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:29 PM PDT by ghitma (MeClaudius)
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To: Larry Lucido
The only think comparable in print is those cards that fall out of the magazine when you flip through the pages.

Perhaps worse, though, are those cards that are stapled in so that the card is on page 60 but it sticks out halfway onto page 40 also.

20 posted on 06/23/2005 12:45:01 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ghitma

We have our ways.


21 posted on 06/23/2005 12:46:00 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Uncle Fud
I'll confine myself to saying that the right newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3 and demanded that you punch him before you were allowed to proceed to page 4.

"screaming monkey" is right.
My pop-up blocker successfully blocks most of the pop-ups.
But just the other day, the sneaky SOBs launched my Windows media player and made me listen to an audio commercial.
I sure hope THAT doesn't catch on too fast.

22 posted on 06/23/2005 12:46:46 PM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: Uncle Fud

Exactly. You can ignore newspaper ads. Not some online ones.


23 posted on 06/23/2005 12:49:38 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Uncle Fud

I have no problem with an ad on a page I'm viewing. However, the pop up ad is extremely annoying, and in many instances extremely difficult to get rid of.

Pop up ads need killin.


24 posted on 06/23/2005 12:50:35 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Petronski
You mean your paper doesn't have a screaming monkey?

Nope - but I'm looking to buy a car with that "trunk monkey" option. That looks pretty cool.

25 posted on 06/23/2005 12:51:55 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: My2Cents
How many people think blocking unwanted pop-ups is a violation of freedom of speech?

But I like being told I've been especially chosen for a special offer every time I visit the same page.

26 posted on 06/23/2005 12:53:29 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Willie Green

wow...never had that happen before


27 posted on 06/23/2005 12:53:43 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Uncle Fud

In an ironic twist, pop-up ads ARE beginning to show up in my newspaper.

My paper has started selling ads on little stickers that are plastered over the front page headline, and must be peeled off before you can read the lead article.

Grr!


28 posted on 06/23/2005 12:55:19 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: takenoprisoner

Audio ads, video ads that load on the page, pop-ups, and those big ads that show on one entire website page and you have to click "next" to go to what you want to see annoy me.

A simple banner ad is fine.


29 posted on 06/23/2005 12:56:08 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Petronski
You mean your paper doesn't have a screaming monkey?

My local paper is written/edited by screaming monkeys.

30 posted on 06/23/2005 1:02:54 PM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: Uncle Fud

"You'd go to your local corner shop and buy the daily paper, and you'd have these large holes where the ads were.


"You'd somehow feel like your 25 cents had not gotten full value," he said.

He actually said that with a straight face?


31 posted on 06/23/2005 1:07:51 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Uncle Fud
tools like Adblock

Adblock can also eliminate legitimate content on a web site.

We shouldn't expect the Internet to be advertising free. I don't like pop-overs and float-overs and the like, but I don't have any objection to advertising on the pages I am reading.

I wouldn't be surprised to see sites come up with a way to block users that block conventional on-page advertising.

32 posted on 06/23/2005 1:08:28 PM PDT by Flyer (Nuthin' finer than a grackle crap marinade for fixin' those word famous Houston face fajitas)
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To: Larry Lucido
The only think comparable in print is those cards that fall out of the magazine when you flip through the pages.

Yes, but you can fight back by just dropping them in the mail...blank.

33 posted on 06/23/2005 1:09:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Senator Byrd: Did the Union troops withdraw because of your Klan insurgency?)
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To: Uncle Fud
"You'd go to your local corner shop and buy the daily paper, and you'd have these large holes where the ads were."

What a brainless doofus!

Given a choice, sometimes I would want ads, sometimes I wouldn't.

But it would be my choice!

D'OH!

34 posted on 06/23/2005 1:13:18 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: rwfromkansas

On my web sites I place Google ads, which are pretty tasteful, text-only... they don't really impede people's viewing experience on the web site at all.

I'm sure there would be people who want to block those too just because they're commercial, but I suppose there are all sorts of extremists in the world.


35 posted on 06/23/2005 1:19:33 PM PDT by mhx
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To: Uncle Fud

"They would be harming their own customer relationships to create a short-term, short-sighted, limited-effectiveness tool," he said. "One that they would probably end up having to withdraw from the market."

Maybe if advertisers hadn't been so short sighted in foisting all these incredibly annoying forms of advertising on us, these programs would never have to be developed in the first place.


36 posted on 06/23/2005 1:20:53 PM PDT by somniferum (All warfare is deception - Sun Tzu)
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To: Uncle Fud

Out of curiosity, does anyone know anybody who has actually bought something from a pop-up ad?


37 posted on 06/23/2005 1:21:42 PM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
>And almost no one would read it because almost no one's going to pay $5 for a newspaper. How hard is that to figure out?

So, stupid people
would have to stop pretending
that they are "informed"

just because they've read
politically biased crap?
That sounds good to me!

38 posted on 06/23/2005 1:25:15 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Corin Stormhands

I used to do that. It was years before I realized I didn't have to put stamps on them. :-)


39 posted on 06/23/2005 1:30:24 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Heh...they were probably just laughing at you!


40 posted on 06/23/2005 1:32:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Senator Byrd: Did the Union troops withdraw because of your Klan insurgency?)
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To: takenoprisoner

>>I have no problem with an ad on a page I'm viewing.

Same with me. Actually I have bought some things because an ad got my interest and I could go see the product immediately. Sometimes I see ads on search results and I'll go there too, since it is specifically designed around what I am searching for.

Popups stink, so I don't allow them (w/ Firefox). Other ads I don't mind at all.


41 posted on 06/23/2005 1:32:43 PM PDT by Betis70 (It's all fun and games till someone gets impaled with a Javelin)
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To: Casekirchen
Out of curiosity, does anyone know anybody who has actually bought something from a pop-up ad?

That X-10 camera was wildly successful.

42 posted on 06/23/2005 1:34:48 PM PDT by Flyer (Nuthin' finer than a grackle crap marinade for fixin' those word famous Houston face fajitas)
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To: Uncle Fud

That analogy is hilarious.


43 posted on 06/23/2005 1:36:49 PM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: Uncle Fud

44 posted on 06/23/2005 1:41:07 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: Uncle Fud
I'll confine myself to saying that the right newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3 and demanded that you punch him before you were allowed to proceed to page 4.

Or a newspaper that took all your books, TVs, radios, magazines and other newpapers and put them all in a locked room and then hid the key, forcing you to read it only. Or a newspaper that went through all of your personal information and sent it back to the publisher without your knowledge.

45 posted on 06/23/2005 1:43:56 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: USAFJeeper

I agree. They should be be-headed. I feel like crushing with my hands the spyware people.


46 posted on 06/23/2005 1:44:12 PM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Uncle Fud
I'll confine myself to saying that the right newspaper analogy would be a screaming monkey that popped up in the middle of page 3 and demanded that you punch him before you were allowed to proceed to page 4.

As much as I hate my local commie paper, the ads in it are not a threat to screw up electronics that I have invested thousands of dollars in.

47 posted on 06/23/2005 2:35:15 PM PDT by feedback doctor (If you won't love the least of people, then you can't love any people)
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To: Flyer
Out of curiosity, does anyone know anybody who has actually bought something from a pop-up ad?

That X-10 camera was wildly successful.

The question was, "does anyone know anybody..."; not "know of anyone..."

Knowing what DUers do with their allowances doesn't count.LOL

48 posted on 06/23/2005 6:39:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Or worse yet the ones that don't and have to be pulled out of the way manually.


49 posted on 06/23/2005 9:56:45 PM PDT by octobersky
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To: Uncle Fud
The end of free Internet content DoubleClick will come when Web browsers start blocking online advertisements by default, a DoubleClick executive TJY has warned.

These guys think they're soooooo important. There's plenty of free content out there which doesn't depend on advertising to stay afloat. People have been telling these idiots for years that they don't like pop-ups, pop-unders, or other such garbage on their desktops.

They ignore their consumers at their own peril.

50 posted on 06/24/2005 5:42:20 AM PDT by TechJunkYard (my other PC is a 9406)
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