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Tonight we are no longer a free country (vanity)
6/23/05 | Self

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:06:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: Tobor

not at all, and if you mix that issue with this ruling today, you are going to play right into the hands of the people who support this ruling.

private property rights doesn't mean my neighbor can tear down their single family house and build a 50 story skyscraper there, or a porno movie theatre, or a garbage dump. if that's what you believe "property rights" means, you are way off base. zoning laws are zoning laws, eminent domain is eminent domain.


161 posted on 06/23/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: to_zion



To Hillarys Gate Cult and to-zion
Thank you for the Info! Saw this first thing this morning but just got home.........Was really worried, will try to find the other links and news!


162 posted on 06/23/2005 9:51:56 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: RoseD

I know most people I know are still unaware of the ramifications of this, and word is sloooooly getting out. Will people care? Sadly, I doubt it.

Well, it was nice here, while it lasted. The country I was born in no longer exists.

I was planning on buying a home in the next few years, but if this stands, I don't see the point, unless I research it to death and find a patch of land somewhere with 0% commercial value.

Nah, why bother. The state and Feds will just tax me to death more.


163 posted on 06/23/2005 9:53:54 PM PDT by ByDesign
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To: AD from SpringBay
"Then the Second Amendment already trumps today's ruling."

Yeah; and just try exercising your second amendment rights to defend your property when the greedy bureaucrats want it and see who comes out on top in that fight. Hint: it will be under color of law enforcement.

164 posted on 06/23/2005 9:55:58 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: ByDesign

Well I'm a real estate agent I could help you out! Buttttttt now that I think about it what if somewhere in the future there is a commercial possibility what are my ramifications???? Never mind I can't help you!


165 posted on 06/23/2005 9:56:15 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: texaslil

Don't wait around for those who would take your property from you. Hunt down the ones who sent them. That's precisely what I will do.


166 posted on 06/23/2005 9:56:46 PM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: ByDesign
I was planning on buying a home in the next few years, but if this stands, I don't see the point, unless I research it to death and find a patch of land somewhere with 0% commercial value.

Any New Zealand Freepers out there that can recommend it? Would you mind a bunch of hard-working conservative people moving there? Are you still overrun by orcs?

*Sigh*. It's a nice idea, and if I were older, I'd consider it. Unfortunately, I'll probably feel the need to stay and fight for freedon (wherever there's trouble).

167 posted on 06/23/2005 9:57:55 PM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: Tobor
zoning laws _are_ unconstitutional

We should fight them also.

Todays atrocity by the court is only the latest in a long line of attacks on the Constitution and American individual sovereignty.

Today's decision was just so outrageous that some have awakened from their sheep-hood.
168 posted on 06/23/2005 9:58:15 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: IGOTMINE
Donald Scott owned some land abutting a national park in California. The Feds coveted his land...even had it appraised. They raided his house, and he was shot dead.

Thank you! Thank you! I have been trying to remember this one all day. You forgot one little detail, though. This was a drug raid. Remember, if they want your land, all they have to do is accuse you of selling or using dope.

There are MANY cases here in CA where this has happened. I just wonder what takes them so long to go after run down crack houses? /sarcasm

169 posted on 06/23/2005 10:00:28 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!...End Black Collar Crime)
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To: Domestic Church

hillary will probably use this against the republicans in '08.


170 posted on 06/23/2005 10:00:48 PM PDT by ampat
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To: Blood of Tyrants

bump


171 posted on 06/23/2005 10:01:45 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tobor

no they are not. how about building codes, are they unconstitutiuonal too?

you are nuts, with all due respect. there is no constitutional right for my neighbor turning their house into a garbage dump or porno theater, and I don't want them to be able to conduct construction that causes their home to blow up or catch on fire. however, that does not mean I think the government can exercise eminent domain against my neighbor home just because they want to. these are two totally different issues.


172 posted on 06/23/2005 10:03:09 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
oops

My #168 post was to you.

We Americans grant privileges to our government, not the other way, and some things are forbidden to government.

Or at least they were till this court came to town.
173 posted on 06/23/2005 10:05:01 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: RoseD

The thread is now almost 1700 replies.

We have only one recourse. Use every legal means to remove every public official from office who participates in one of these land grab deals. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.


174 posted on 06/23/2005 10:05:49 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Pray for us all.)
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To: RebelTex; cyborg
"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms." -Sandra Day O'Connor

"I have no reason to suppose that he, who would take away my Liberty, would not when he had me in his Power, take away everything else." -John Locke

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." -Sam Adams

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can" -Sam Adams

"Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty." -John Adams

"Property is more than the thing which a person owns. It is elementary that it includes the right to acquire, use, and dispose of it. The Constitution protects these essential attributes of property .... There can be conception of property aside from its control and use, and upon its use depends its value." -Supreme Court decision, 1917

"They have erected a system of national land-use regulation that brings minimal ecological benefits and substantial harm to the liberties of Americans." -Richard Miniter

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government." -Thomas Jefferson

175 posted on 06/23/2005 10:06:12 PM PDT by to_zion
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

agree! where is the other thread?


176 posted on 06/23/2005 10:06:53 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So, instead of paying a fair market price Wal-Mart can bribe the local politicos and save money. I hope they pass that savings on to the customers.

My first thought, after hearing this verdict, was how soon will local governments use this to punish those they don't like. If you complain about anything at all they'll put a Starbucks where your house should be.

This will get people killed. It just won't be the right ones.
177 posted on 06/23/2005 10:07:53 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: to_zion

bttt


178 posted on 06/23/2005 10:08:25 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: RoseD

Here's one;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1428902/posts


179 posted on 06/23/2005 10:09:36 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Pray for us all.)
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To: to_zion

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." -Sam Adams

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can" -Sam Adams



IT WAS WORTH REPEATING TWICE!


180 posted on 06/23/2005 10:09:41 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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