Skip to comments.Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier
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With some pretty pointed comments and speculations from the powers that be/in the know etc.
How much more LIKE PLANNED do they want to make it???
What you said has no logic.
A scenario like this could have been planned two years ago, and could come together anytime in the future.
What if the componets for the device and the plans to position it and detonate it came together 4 weeks from now, or a year from now, after being planned for the past 2 years?
The UN Security Council would never give us a resolution to bomb the ME back into the stone age (not that the ME is all that far removed from the stone age to begin with).
Seriously, though, while I share your enthusiasm, I have far less faith in the American sheeple's resolve, even in the aftermath of a nuclear attack.
It was a joke, maybe a poor one, but an obvious one nonetheless.
I think you may need to lighten up.
Amen! Especially in Luicifier's Hammer. Jerry Pournelle & Larry Niven, right?
You're right, I forgot about Brit Hume and his staff. That would be tragic...
I hate to admit it, but around here I would be more afraid of a scenario like this happening somewhere along the gulf in the warmer times of the year (say Orlando or Houston) or the Midwest/Great Lakes area during the colder times of the year (say Chicago or St Louis) due to the fact that air masses/jet stream would blow radiation over me and most of the rest of the country.
This is not a 9-11 scenario. When it comes down to it, it would be every man for himself for some time.
Ping to #114
This reminds me of a Time Mag. artical from the early/mid 80's saying what would happen in Detroit if a 1 Megaton bomb went off at 1-75 & 1-94 interchange.
Just hope you wouldn't be at work that day.
I'm just happy when I survive the DC traffic.
I was responding to a post in responce to #11, you direct me to a post in responce to #100.
I am not sure what you are trying to say, but post 11 was a joke and early in the thread.
Whitley Steiber, wasn't he the guy repeatedly abducted by aliens??
Which is exactly why Bush has had the borders locked down to prevent people from sneaking into this country. Oh, wait....
Since this scenario is so likely, the federal government should begin dispersal now. Send most or at least some of the legislators home, and let them meet and vote via phones and the Internet. The President should not actually live in the White House. Leave D.C. to the locals and the tourists.
The piece does not mention what will happen to the value of urban real estate after one or two terrorist nukes explode. What happens to the economy when that much wealth simply disappears overnight?
Depends, I think.
Initially I think you're right. Market economies are resilient, and what it will really mean in the short term is that futures in lumber, building materials, etc. will be very high. Non-essentials will go low.
Depends on how many bombs go off.
Pournelle is still alive and still writing, at least for Byte.
I loved "The Mote in God's Eye," but probably more for Niven than Pournelle.
OK, things could be better. But he's not some idiot dem who wants to abolish borders and let everyone in... Still, you're right. The GOP has to do better on this issue:
"Depends on how many bombs go off."
Probably the top 3-10 cities will go up at once. America will be ruined, but do we have the guts to ruin the islamic world and north korea in retaliation?
Lord Jesus, send revival, please save souls in the DC area.
Anoint the words of Christians and give unbelievers the ears to hear and to heed.
I plead the Blood of Jesus over my loved ones there. Mercy, Lord Jesus, I ask You for mercy on them.
Father, I ask that You hear and answer this prayer. I pray in the Name of Jesus. AMEN.
Good one, but my favorite has to be "The Obsolete Man".
Guide at the smithsonian, groundskeeper at the memorial are govt employees....
and elementary schools only take field trips to adult theatres and porno art shows where feces soaking in piss is considered high art like the ceiling of the sistine chapel used to be.
Still, you're right, too many innocents...the tradeoff isn't worth it.
If they are slick enough to pull that off, I would imagine the military would hit various places just to put them on the same economic footing as we were for about the same amount of time.
Who knows? The National Command Authority is going to want some facts before they launch, and people are going to be down on the first rung of Maslow's hierarchy at that point as well. They'll be more worried about being alive than about whether we whacked the goat fornicators.
Were I President, I might whack China and North Korea. Iran and Syria. Somalia. This sounds strange, but I might also hit Mexico too. I'd conclude that the only way they could move that kind of nuclear material into the US reliably was to move through Mexico. With Fox himself handing out maps and instructions how to get in, plus stadiums full of people chanting 'Death to America' in Mexico City, I'd definitely do it (after calculating the prevailing wind patterns, of course).
That was one of the things we'd thought about as well. No one should live in the new capital except the President and his immediate family, the Marines currently billeted at 8th and I, and the Army's Old Guard.
Nothing but pedestrian traffic allowed on the streets. We'd thought of laying out the pattern as a sort of bullseye shape - concentric rings of broad pedestrian avenues with a N-S, an E-W, a NW-SE, and a NE-SW avenue intersecting. At the center would be the White House, the Supreme Court, and the Capitol Building. Behind each one would be the various governmental agencies. The outermost ring would be where all the monuments, the Smithsonian, the Library of Congress, etc., would be. It's a lot of fun just to try to lay it out.
Thanks. Learned some good common sense things.
I wonder what'll help when they hit Moscow too. They could very well hit China and the middle east. Certainly Chechnya would no longer exist.
I would advise all the gun owners in any area attacked to be on the look-out for follow up attacks to disrupt and harrass the first responders. It will be our job to defend against any following (manned) attacks, you become the home guard. There also may be numerous other areas attacked in less devastating ways. Be on the look-out and be prepared. BLOAT.
Cripes. That article makes me actually WANT to wear my MOPP suit (at Level 4) around in the 90 degree heat with 100% humidity today. ;)
Thanks for the reminder, Soldier. I am grateful nearly every day for a survival or practical skill I learned in the Army. You never do forget them.
This is why ballistic missile defense is still viable. People believe that a nuke attack will be terrorism oriented, and they're probably right. But a massive terrorist attack - five or more cities at once with 15 MT bombs - would definitely take us off the grid economically enough that we'd have to contemplate a ballistic missile counterstrike.
Our ability to launch that counterstrike without subjecting ourselves to one would be a definite benefit.
If we get hit by ANYBODY, I would think that China would be coming across the straight in bathtubs to invade Taiwan.
I'm sure (I hope) people in DC have thought of this, but they better be prepared to fight in 1 major and 1 minor world conflict while sustaining this kind of attack.
Oddly, the military infrastructure would not have suffered much at all under this kind of an attack.
Oddly still, the only country we can't afford to retaliate against is Russia, as they have Ballistic Missile Defense overwhelming ICBM capabilities. More oddly still, they aren't much farther along economically than they were when their empire fell.
I doubt the Russian AMB would even work over Moscow for a few missiles. I bet we have over 200 aimed at it, so that wouldn't be a big deal at all to take it out.
I seriously doubt Russia would deserve to get hit though from us. Depends on how big the exchange gets. If it starts spiraling out of control...
I agree with that idea as long as no incumbents move to the new capitol and the new digs are moderate. They dont need anything fancy.
It would work...for about 3 days.
Right about that point, all the nuclear powers in the world (except Israel and the UK) would wonder if THEY were next on the list...and launch everything they have at us.
There would be NOTHING left, anywhere.
A better idea would be: get Riyahd, Tehran, Damascus, Amman, and Cairo. Drop 5 each on Mecca & Medina. Notify Israel they can do what they want to the Dome of the Rock.
The NCA (whoever it is) would get on a worldwide broadcast and say that unless the living bodies (or the whole dead ones)of all known terrorists are not on planes headed for whatever city they designate within 24 hours, 5 more cities with major Muslim populations would be destroyed.
If they find out the bomb came from China, demand the resignation of the entire Chinese Politburo and the handing over of the government to the US ambassador, OR kiss Shanghai goodbye, and one Chinese city a day until it happens. Same thing applies if it's a Russian bomb...and with the Russians, notify them that if they attempt or even LOOK like attempting a launch against us, it's no-holds barred.
Inform the world that the US has just become the Absolute Power, and someone just crossed the line. One move out of place, and you no longer exist.
I'd suggest an alternate scenario: make all the legislators stay within 1000 feet of each other at all times - no exceptions. ;)
Sorry missed U, BTW.
>I'd suggest an alternate scenario: make all the legislators stay within 1000 feet of each other at all times - no exceptions. ;)
Recruiting new legislators after every blast might become a bit problematic. Still, I suppose we should consider your suggestion if only for its entertainment value.
I'm actually serious about moving the legislators and the president out of D.C. We are going to have to do it eventually, might as well get started.
Only if she was wearing that crusty black pantsuit :lol:. That pantsuit and the cockroaches would be the only things left after a nuclear war...
Thanks for posting this article. It*s very important that we all know what to do.
On the 7th Day we nuke China, for having tricked us into killing a billion people, we should have no problem killing another billion people.
On the 8th Day we use the rest of our nuclear arsenal to blackmail and take control of the rest of the world, saying that we will nuke you if you do no follow our orders.
(sarcasm) Once you killed your first billion people, it becomes easier after that.
This is unfortunately, exactly what would happen.
"I think Hillary would survive a nuclear blast.
What a shame!"
I think all the Democrats would. After all they say cockroaches can survive a nuclear attack :-)