Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.

National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

[AFreeBird]

If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.

I fear you may be crediting the IsamoNazi's with more intelligence than they posess.

The rest I agree with. I'd want payback. I'd want a disproportianate response on a massive scale. And prehaps a per head bounty on any remaining muzzies.

Figurativly speaking: Salt the earth for the muzzies.

[AFreeBird]

I think EMP is overrated from what I've read about it. Basically if your radio or electronic device isn't connected to a power source (usually the A/C line) or an antenna, it should be safe but if you want added protection to make sure, put it in a grounded metal box.

Actually, you DON'T want it in a grounded metal box. Earth is a conductor you know. The electronics should be wrapped in foil and/or metal screen mesh and then placed in some non conducting box (rubbermaid, tupperware etc.)

[diamond6]

Do you have dehydrated food?

[diamond6]

Thank you very much for posting this.

[Myrddin]

Ok, I've got to ask ... WHY? Radiation therapy for cancer?

Yes. I discovered the tumor July 21, 1985. It was removed August 6, 1985. I waited for 3 weeks for the pathology report. It was a pure seminoma. Malignant, but apparently completely contained. A lymphangiogram was performed to check the lymph system, then the doc recommended 3000 rads of radiation. Each treatment was preceded with a blood test to make sure that the radiation had not destroyed so much of my bone marrow that the treatment could not continue. The usual treatment aligned the aperture on my stomach and blasted 150 rads. After 10 minutes to clear the air in the room, the techs returned to spin the aperture around and fire another 150 rads through my back. I then hopped into my car and drove home as quickly as possible. Most times I managed to get in the door before heaving my guts out. A couple times I had to pull over, open my car door and let rip. You learn early in the treatment to eat early in the day before the treatment so all the food is already digested. I nearly ripped my esophagus with brown rice after one treatment.

The treatments gave me a first hand experience with "conditioned response" like Pavlov's dogs. By the 3rd treatment I would start getting more nauseous as I approached the oncologists office. Once in the door, my stomach was already wretching from the smell of the ionized air in the waiting room. It was very hard to get through all the treatments. The nauseous reaction persisted for 6 months after the treatment. Driving west on Miramar Road, then south on I-805 would provoke nausea.

[Toadman]

Fascinating read... thanks!

[RedStateRocker]

Here's another thought. The Constitution does not forbid moving the capital


IMHO no elected official should ever be out of rifle range of their constituents

[hedgetrimmer]

two words,

civil defense.

[JockoManning]

Excellent points.

I will try to get a copy of Miracle Mile. Thanks.

jm

[Don Joe]

It's a little dated, but chilling -- and IMO an excellent look at... no, I won't plot-spoil it for you. :)

Let's just say that I didn't really need to invoke my "suspension of disbelief" mechanisms when viewing it. There's a bit more realism than many people will be comfortable with.

I believe this film qualifies as a "sleeper" -- hardly anyone seems to have heard of it, let alone viewed it.

[Smokin' Joe]

Moving the capital and returning the land of the present capital to the states, deflates that balloon forever.

Really. Which state would want it back? Move the goverment which supports the massive industry aimed at supporting Government, and the industry would move, too. Disneyland it ain't, so all that would be left is a poster child for urban decay and a few museums and monuments, surrounded by crime infested streets. All the bad things a city can bring, and diddley to the good.

[Inge_CAV]

Bump back to the top!

[TomSmedley]

If you factor all that in, we could have a big fall and adding even more, or decline of morals and standards. I do wonder if God is going to knock us down a peg or two, but if He doesn't do it, we certainly will and we will end up having to start again. Think if it as a "reset button." Myself, I lean towards the belief that we had a couple of technical civilizations in the past that destroyed themselves and we just started up the long ladder again. Think Atlantis and the stories there, I do see some parallels to that.

I grew up under the shadow of "The Bomb," during an era when all the "Bible prophecy teachers" asserted the inevitability of a global soviet takeover. God eliminated that bogey almost overnight.

People I know are studying Turkish and Arabic in preparation for the day when God discredits Islam, and millions of former muslims are desperately seeking guidance on how to structure their lives, now that their underpinnings have been kicked out from under them. (I saw first-hand the psychic bewilderment experienced by disillusioned Ukrainians.)

But, if we are talking about self-avowed enemies of God, consider the state religion of the USA, a vague unitarianism that in practice recognizes no deity above The State. That supports the massacre (through abortion) of millions of innocents around the world.

Will we be ready to respond redemptively to the fall of Islam? And later, to the fall of secular humanism? I pray so.

(Parenthetically -- if Morris and Whitcombe's Genesis Flood hydrology is valid, I wonder if a nuclear exchange disrupted that system, and brought about Noah's flood? There's a novel in there somewhere for the ambitious writer ... )

[1903A3]

In the 70ties at the height of the so called " survivalist " fad several good books where written on the subject
They may become handy now , here a short list
Life after doomsday by Bruce Clayton
Nuclear war survival skills by Cresson h Kearny
Both are very serious books specially Kearny
There is also books from Ragnar Benson,Mel Tappan and Duncan Long
Mostly " fantasy " but whit good info here and there

[ExSoldier]

Every man, woman, child that is muslim will be dead within hours of the event. There will be not muslim country left, from Africa to Indonesia. I will have as much pity for the innocent muslim as the innocent muslim has for us.

What about all the muslims here in this country...the men women and children? You going to line all of them up and shoot 'em? YOU going to do the job? I hear your anger. But I don't think you're the sort of person who could kill a child in cold blood. Let alone thousands or hundreds of thousands kids and women. What about the law abiding muslims in our own armed forces? See? It's not so simple.

[Nowhere Man]

I grew up under the shadow of "The Bomb," during an era when all the "Bible prophecy teachers" asserted the inevitability of a global soviet takeover. God eliminated that bogey almost overnight.

I remember those twoo. I remember in college, I read one short story where it took place in a small town, set in the late 1950's or early 1960's where the wrter commented on one of his fellow classmates he went to school with is working at a supermarket and basically that's all he aspired to. He once remarked that he'd still be at that position, perhaps work his way up to manager of (paraphrasing) "the collective by 1992 when the Soviets took over America." There were some who thought we will be run over by the Russians at that time and later, I think though, many of those stories were like a warning where "this could happen unless we get our act together." Again, much like the Moslem stories today although the Moslems do have the manpower if thet kiss and makeup between the Sunnis and Shias. I think here, we are letting them do it because of political correctness.

(Parenthetically -- if Morris and Whitcombe's Genesis Flood hydrology is valid, I wonder if a nuclear exchange disrupted that system, and brought about Noah's flood? There's a novel in there somewhere for the ambitious writer ... )

Well, there are some stories, rumors, conjucture, and "forbidden archeology" where there is a belief and perhaps some evidence that we might have have an atomic war in the past, some point to Atlantis and another foe, many point to where India and Pakistan (whatever they were called then) had such a war 12,000 years ago and there are claims where they found green glass (glass from sand formed from an atomic explosion, "Trintinite," they call it, from the word "Trinity" when the first atomic bomb was tested) at various sites and skeletons that look like they had the flesh vaporized form them and so on.

As to the story of Noah's Ark and such, I wonder when the date was when that happened? Could be a possible lead there. There is a list on this site maintained by SunkenCiv that shares a lot of such things on subjects like these and others too. Very interesting reading.

I think I made that comment last year and my position is still the same, we need to get our butts in gear and recognize the threat better than we are now, otherwise, we will lose and deserve to, we will have no one to blame but ourselves for falling into the PC claptrap we are in now.

[SunkenCiv]

[ I don't endorse the views in these topics, though ;') ]

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[JockoManning]

See post # 297 in this thread, account of my own dream of a state capital in midwest being nuked during my lifetime.

jm

[JockoManning]

Here, pinging you to post 297, nuke strike against capital city of a state in the midwest. I had this dream in January 2005.

jm

[JockoManning]

Saturday morning reminder for those FReeping and lurking:


SHELTERING IN PLACE INFO --

SNIP:

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero.

A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”

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