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Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier

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To: ExSoldier; All

BTTT for Sat. p.m. FReepers and lurkers.

+* +* +*
SHELTERING IN PLACE INFO --

SNIP:

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero.

A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”

Every major Washington-area hospital has some decontamination facilities, but 10,000 radiation patients in one day would swamp them. So mass decontamination falls to fire departments, with their mobile pumps and generators; their protective gear; their hazardous-materials experience; and, because both Maryland and Virginia have nuclear power reactors, their years of radiation training. Area firefighters can quickly set up special decontamination tents, and they have plans to take over buildings that have lots of showers — so high school gyms, for example, are a good place to head for. In the chaos of those first hours, said Michael Cline, state coordinator at the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, “the real key is to make sure people go to those facilities.” It will take every firefighter available to man the decontamination sites, and every cop to control the crowds pouring in panic out of the city.

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401 posted on 08/19/2006 6:58:28 PM PDT by JockoManning (Listen Online http://www.klove.com)
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To: ExSoldier
It sure doesn't help that the greater Washington area is chuck full of cul-de-sacs.

My advice to you DC Mero folks is get a New York City state of mind. Grow up and stop fretting. Cancel the delivery of the Sunday Washington Post.

402 posted on 08/19/2006 7:03:32 PM PDT by bvw
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To: RedStateRocker
IMHO no elected official should ever be out of rifle range of their constituents

That thought was on my mind when I suggested an area where a higher percentage of people own guns and know how to use them. Shhhh!
403 posted on 08/19/2006 7:40:25 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: aShepard
Yeah, then the fallout could spread for 1500 miles east, and wipe out the entire east coast!

I presume you're referring to the fallout of liberal politician remnants being scattered over the entire east coast. That might act as an anti-venom and bring the present east coast liberals back to the real world.

If you're referring to nuclear fallout, it would be no different then if Denver, Colorado were hit, the second largest concentration of federal bureaucracy in the nation.
404 posted on 08/19/2006 7:49:22 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: ExSoldier

Bumpity-Bump!


405 posted on 08/20/2006 6:46:12 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Don Joe
Dean Ing's "Pulling Through

Never heard of it...

406 posted on 08/21/2006 8:48:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (AIDS- the ONLY "disease" that's 99.9% preventable and blamed solely on conservative Presidents...)
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To: GOPJ

Dean Ing's "Pulling Through

Never heard of it...


There are about a half-dozen reader reviews here:

Pulling Through

(Buy a used copy cheaper (I think I paid a buck or two) on ebay.)

407 posted on 08/22/2006 12:14:41 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: All

BTTT


408 posted on 12/08/2006 1:52:51 AM PST by JockoManning (http://www.bebroken.com)
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To: ExSoldier
Bookmark
409 posted on 10/10/2008 6:04:57 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier; nw_arizona_granny; Joya

Ping and BTTT.


410 posted on 02/02/2009 8:44:22 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Joya
Thanks. It's definitely an OLDIE but it's also still a GOODIE!!! Probably more relevant today than when I first posted the thread.
411 posted on 02/02/2009 8:51:09 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


412 posted on 02/02/2009 8:54:09 PM PST by Professional Engineer (You don't know the power of the Dork Side. | Can he lead a normal life? No, he'll be an engineer.)
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To: ExSoldier

Sigh.

Joel Rosenberg wrote a novel not too long ago that had the USA being nuked. IIRC, the nuke bombs were broght to just offshore on ships and launched from there.

I pray it never really happens.

But folks who insist it won’t or can’t are whistling past the graveyard.

God bless you, FRiend.


413 posted on 02/02/2009 9:09:07 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: ExSoldier; Joya

I missed this the first time around... now with the mooselimb in power, it makes sense to BTTT!


414 posted on 02/02/2009 10:13:30 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider; All

Here is a “it’s been three weeks since this has been bumped” BUMP.


415 posted on 02/23/2009 10:29:50 AM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Pellegrino

Ping.


416 posted on 03/30/2009 12:55:53 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Joya

Excellent, thank you. Potassium Iodide tablets would also come in handy.


417 posted on 03/30/2009 4:18:34 PM PDT by Pellegrino
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To: Joya

Excellent, thank you. Potassium Iodide tablets would also come in handy.


418 posted on 03/30/2009 4:20:49 PM PDT by Pellegrino
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To: ExSoldier
Assume the bomb goes off. Now what?

Frank is gone, Dodd is gone, Pelosi is gone, HObama is gone, Biden is gone.........I don't see a problem.

419 posted on 03/30/2009 4:25:46 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun on an Indy car....)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Wow, this thread is still going? That's what I call a long life! Essentially, I would agree with your assessment and we could toss in some major ummmm urban renewal as another benefit. Somebody tell the (not so) Rev Jesse and his buddy Al to move in before it's too late!
420 posted on 03/30/2009 6:22:55 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Pellegrino

I agree. I wonder where folks can get Potssium Iodide tablets?


421 posted on 03/30/2009 6:28:47 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The people I love most on planet earth live within 20 miles of DC. If something happens, _I_ will care about _them_.


422 posted on 03/30/2009 6:30:47 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Lexington Green
All those politicians dead..... Why would our enemies do us such a favor?

With enemies like that...
...who needs friends?

Drop the big one now!

423 posted on 03/30/2009 6:31:37 PM PDT by Theophilus (The people who were going to buy your home got aborted 30 years ago.)
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To: Joya

bumping this puppy to the top again.


424 posted on 05/11/2009 10:51:56 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Joya; ExSoldier; Quix; All

BTTT.

October 11 is just over two months away.

http://www.newwineministry.net


425 posted on 08/04/2009 10:12:25 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

HERE’S THE ATS thread link re the YOUTUBE AUDIO:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread488442/pg1


426 posted on 08/04/2009 10:14:30 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: All

Post 291, BTTT,

Surviving a Nuclear Attack [Anywhere]

Everyone’s first reaction is wrong because the problem is not, in fact, the nuclear blast. If at this point you’re still alive and uninjured — and after a Hiroshima-sized explosion at ground level, 99 percent of the people in the D.C. area

[or anywhere else for that matter]

are — then your real problem is the radioactive dust that the blast threw into the air. According to the estimates in National Planning Scenario No. 1, an explosion that kills 15,000 people outright could eventually expose 200,000 people to lethal doses of radiation if they stay exposed and unprotected in the fallout path for 24 hours. Sitting downwind in gridlock, with your vehicle’s windshield shattered, goes a long way toward giving you a lethal dose. All sorts of simple alternatives — moving away from downwind, seeking proper shelter, even taking a shower — go a long way toward saving you.

Fallout is simply radioactive dust, launched miles into the air in a mushroom cloud and then carried on the wind. Much of it is alpha particles, whose radiation cannot penetrate bare skin, or beta particles, which cannot penetrate layers of clothing. Both are most dangerous if inhaled — or if they settle on food that is eaten unwashed. More deadly are the gamma rays, whose radiation can go through walls. But even gammas cannot hurt you from cloud height. The danger starts when the dust settles to earth.

The ideal is to avoid the fallout in the first place. In apocalyptic gridlock, you cannot drive very far. But you may not have to. Normal winds blow the cloud into a long but narrow plume, just a few miles across. In typical Washington-area weather, Virginia, Montgomery County in Maryland, and most of the District itself are not in the fallout path at all. People in the path could conceivably walk out of the fallout zone in the 10 or 15 minutes before the dust begins to fall — if they know which way to go.

But, of course, you cannot count on perfectly typical weather. The wind might shift; the breeze you feel at ground level may be blowing crosswise to the radioactive clouds five miles up; a still day might cause the fallout to seep outward slowly in all directions; sudden rain or snow could wash the dust out of the sky, heavily dousing everything beneath the storm but sparing areas farther out.

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.
...

FOR ENTIRE ARTICLE, GO TO

NUCLEAR THREAT INITIATIVE [NTI]

http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_6_24.html#A0F258F9

http://www.nti.org/index.html

REFERENCE LINK:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429926/posts


427 posted on 08/04/2009 10:35:43 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya
Thanks very much, I'd lost track of this article and have been searching for it for quite some time!
428 posted on 08/05/2009 4:06:06 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Hope you are doing well.

There’s good info here. I used the FR “bookmark” feature so it shows up on my freeper page as one of my “links”, so if all else fails, I can find it that way.

I clicked onto the nuclear threat initiative (NTI) link I posted yesterday, and that site’s up and running and that link still works.

I hope people wake up and learn what they need to know and do what they need to do before it all hits the great whirling blades.

Trusting Jesus, being known by Him, and knowing Him, are the best long-term preps anybody can make.

FReegards,


429 posted on 08/05/2009 5:15:42 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Don Joe; ExSoldier

Thanks to your advice, I got Dean Ing’s “Pulling Through”, read it, and liked it. Recently, I read

“One Second After”

by Wm. Forstchen. Very inspiring as a “survival” book, it’s fiction, but it makes ya think.

http://tinyurl.com/amazon-com-link


430 posted on 08/05/2009 5:29:15 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ExSoldier; All

October 11 will be here soon bump.


431 posted on 08/28/2009 3:46:36 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: All

Post 291 synopsis, BTTT.

{Less than five weeks till Oct. 11.}


432 posted on 09/08/2009 12:34:55 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ExSoldier
WASHINGTON — What if we fail to prevent an attack?

DC and gov is screwed. I'll be fine.

433 posted on 09/08/2009 12:38:08 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The way to destroy a countercultural movement is to have white people start liking it.)
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To: All; ExSoldier; Cindy; Quix; TaraP; nw_arizona_granny; LibertyRocks; Star Traveler; DCPatriot

Post 319, “sheltering in place” BTTT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIRMWzlUfQ

Radio host says nuke bomb set to go off in Washington, DC, Oct. 11, 2009.


434 posted on 09/08/2009 12:47:05 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: The Drowning Witch

A must read.


435 posted on 09/08/2009 2:01:20 PM PDT by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: ExSoldier
With all posturing aside, I truly worry that this will be a scene we will see in reality in the near future. I hope I am wrong.


436 posted on 09/08/2009 2:37:59 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Citizens should not fear their government. Government should fear its citizens. - V)
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To: Centurion2000
DC and gov is screwed. I'll be fine.

Hell, why would the terrorists want to nuke DC? OHHHHH BABY is one of their own! He's a friend in the seat of power trying like mad to restrain Israel to give Iran time to wipe it out.

Naaaaaw if these guys really want to strike TERROR (or good old fashioned WWI "Pearl Harbor" style RAGE --aka the sleeping giant -- again) they'll go someplace in the middle of the country right smack in the heart of the RED STATES and first pull off a Beslan style attack on an elementary school before the show stopping nuke on a RED STATE capital or some serious infrastructure juncture like a bridge across the Mississippi or a power grid control node or something. You still feel that safe?

For example, I know that the best place in the country for a good old fashioned CHEMICAL attack is right here in my home town of Miami FL, especially in the spring and summer months. Gentle, warm breezes from a constant direction and the humidity would help the persistency factor on a nerve agent like Soman or VX especially. Why is Miami a target for them? Besides being the commerce gateway to latin America we have two of the largest (in the top three) populations of folks they really HATE: Jews and Gays. But being school trained in NBC warfare, I'm not terribly worried but that is a factor of training and not any other confidence.

437 posted on 09/08/2009 6:10:39 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: All

Post 319, “sheltering in place” BTTT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIRMWzlUfQ

Radio host says nuke bomb set to go off in Washington, DC, Oct. 11, 2009.


438 posted on 09/13/2009 2:40:39 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ExSoldier

The best way to survive a nuclear attack where our current mis-guided leaders are occupied is to stay the hell away from it!
If its going to happen its going to happen, no war has ever been won based solely upon defensive strategy and no offensive tactics.


439 posted on 09/13/2009 2:43:43 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Eye of Unk
no war has ever been won based solely upon defensive strategy and no offensive tactics.

Exactly correct. Notable examples include the American War Between the States and Vietnam.

440 posted on 09/13/2009 3:46:53 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: All

Post 319, “sheltering in place” BTTT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIRMWzlUfQ

Radio host says nuke bomb set to go off in Washington, DC, Oct. 11, 2009.


441 posted on 09/15/2009 3:54:25 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: All; Quix

http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/shelter.in.place.html

Sheltering in Place article on Stan Deyo’s site.


442 posted on 09/16/2009 4:07:52 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ExSoldier

http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/NBC.attack.soldiers.view.html


443 posted on 09/16/2009 4:16:57 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: All; Quix; Joya

http://www.ki4u.com/

Potasium iodide info.


444 posted on 09/16/2009 4:46:21 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

Excellent info at this link for sheltering in place,

http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/shelter.in.place.html

###


Repeating post 319 from this thread,
SHELTERING IN PLACE INFO —
SNIP:

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero.

A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”

END OF SNIP


445 posted on 09/16/2009 4:50:27 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ExSoldier; All

Good link, good info,

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm


446 posted on 09/16/2009 5:13:21 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; backhoe; ...
THANKS.

THIS IS A GOOD LINK:

http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/shelter.in.place.html

Stan Deyo and wife Holly are authentic Christian people. He's had jobs in very . . . interesting . . . ops around extremely . . . protected topics and systems. He knows the score re END TIMES stuff from both a Biblical and professional, well connected perspectives.

Let us also keep our focus ON

WHO GOD IS;
WHO'S WE ARE;
HIS ALL SUFFICIENCY;
HIS LOVE;
HIS PLAN;
THAT HE DOES ALL THINGS WELL;
THAT HE'S GOOD ALL THE TIME;
THAT ALL THE TIME HE IS GOOD;
THAT HIS BLOOD IS POWERFUL AND SUFFICIENT;
STAYING CONFESSED UP, REPENTED UP, READY TO GO UP IS WISE;
THAT WINNING SOULS IS WISE;
THAT FOLLOWING AFTER HIS PEACE IS CRUCIAL;
THAT WALKING IN HIS PEACE AND REST IS OUR CALLING;
THAT THE WEAPONS OF OUR WARFARE ARE NOT CARNAL . . . YET THE RIGHTEOUS WILL TAKE SOME THINGS BY FORCE
ACCORDING TO HOLY SPIRIT'S LEADING
[vs impulses of the flesh];
THAT THE JOY OF THE LORD IS OUR STRENGTH;
THAT THE PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING
IS OUR INHERITANCE, OUR BIRTHRIGHT;
THAT WE ARE STRANGERS IN A STRANGE LAND
AND THIS IS NOT OUR HOME;

THAT OUR BELOVED
ALL CONQUERING
KING OF KINGS
AND
LORD OF LORDS
IS
RETURNING
INFINITELY
MORE GRANDLY
THAN ANYTHING
IN LORD OF THE RINGS;

THAT HE PROMISED
AND FULFILLS
ALWAYS BEING WITH US
AND NEVER FORSAKING US.

THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!
THAT HE LOVES US!

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE WAYS OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE AIMS OF THE LORD!
BLESSED IS THE LOVE OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE CHILD OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE JOY OF THE LORD!

. . . and . . .
FWIW, that
Quix loves you, too.

447 posted on 09/16/2009 5:31:13 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Joya

Thanks.

Might be prayerfully worth considering getting for folks in certain likely regions.


448 posted on 09/16/2009 5:32:36 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ExSoldier

I don’t want to think about a twenty kiloton device detonating over D.C. Or anywhere else in this country.The loss of life and economic costs would be astronomical.

All the more reason to takeout these rougue nations that are developing nuclear weapons.Only a fool would believe Iran requieres nuclear power.


449 posted on 09/16/2009 5:34:43 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: Quix

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2223154/posts?page=108

WHO WE ARE IN CHRIST IS CRUCIAL EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES—NOW MORE THAN EVER.


450 posted on 09/16/2009 5:51:04 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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