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Maybe it's time FINALLY to go and get Osama? Remember Osama? Anybody? Anybody?
churchillbuff

Posted on 07/07/2005 12:35:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff

I was lectured on Freerepublic that I was supposed to "feel safer" because we captured Saddam -- even though there's no evidence that he was behind 9-11. Osama is the guy that Bush promised to get "dead or alive" -- but four years later, he's still out there, free as a jail bird.

Maybe it's time to refocus on the mastermind and culprits who were behind 9-11?

Prediction: I'll get flamed as a "DU provacateur" for advocating that we go after somebody who killed 3000-plus people on American soil.


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1 posted on 07/07/2005 12:35:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

You go find him and show us how easy it is.


2 posted on 07/07/2005 12:36:18 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: churchillbuff

Go ahead and get him.


3 posted on 07/07/2005 12:36:19 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: churchillbuff

Please explain how capturing Osama is going to stop this?


4 posted on 07/07/2005 12:36:54 PM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: churchillbuff

"free as a jail bird"?

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Maybe you are just an idiot.


5 posted on 07/07/2005 12:37:04 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: churchillbuff

having worked with the men and women of the US Military, if they could have found him, they would have...

Osama is a slippery bastard, but we shouldnt put off other issues that needed to be dealt with (i.e. Saddam) in the meantime.


6 posted on 07/07/2005 12:37:14 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: churchillbuff

So when do you ship out? I mean you are volunteering for this aren't you?


7 posted on 07/07/2005 12:37:32 PM PDT by DM1
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To: churchillbuff
What makes you think our forces aren't trying to get him? Look into history--just because you want someone doesn't mean the government snaps its fingers and he appears. Are you seriously suggesting that we don't have forces actively looking for him?

What exactly are you asking to be done--specifically, not "find him" because that's what everyone wants.

8 posted on 07/07/2005 12:37:38 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (6/30/05 budget deficit down http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p17s01-cogn.html)
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To: churchillbuff

Are you implying that we haven't been hunting Osama?

Remember, we can make a lot of mistakes in the hunt for this bastard, but he only has to make one mistake and he's ours. Don't you worry, we'll get him.


9 posted on 07/07/2005 12:38:14 PM PDT by RexBeach (Pardon me, but is that a malaise sandwich in your pocket or are you just glad to be in a funk?)
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To: churchillbuff

I feel safer because Saddam is out of power and in jail. I feel safer because Osama-who? is...out of the picture, sort of speak.


10 posted on 07/07/2005 12:38:19 PM PDT by cll
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To: MikeinIraq
Goss says CIA knows where bin Laden is

By Joseph Chrysdale, Washington Times

Jun. 20, 2005 at 1:28PM

CIA Director Porter Goss says the agency has a good idea where al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is hiding. In an interview with Time magazine published Monday, Goss, 66, said much of the delay in apprehending bin Laden was rooted in diplomacy. "When you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play," Goss said. "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."

11 posted on 07/07/2005 12:38:27 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

No, you won't be flamed as DUmmy.
We'll just all think you are really lame and think to ourselves , "Durrr... Gee, I bet Rummy never thought of that."
So, um... where is he that we may pick him up, genius?


12 posted on 07/07/2005 12:39:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: cll
I feel safer because Saddam is out of power and in jail."""

Good for you. I don't -- and neither do the residents of London. Aren't open borders wonderful?

13 posted on 07/07/2005 12:39:29 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: fellowpatriot

"Please explain how capturing Osama is going to stop this?"

Exactly!
If we get him dead or alive all we will do is have 100 other crazies trying to outdo him.
As much as I hate the SOB we are better off if OBL is in hiding; at least for now anyway.


14 posted on 07/07/2005 12:40:02 PM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: churchillbuff
when he is caught , he should be dealt with in a way so terrifying to his cronies that they are forced to think twice.
The only way to fight terror is with terror .
15 posted on 07/07/2005 12:40:29 PM PDT by injin
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To: churchillbuff

yeah sure I KNOW where Osama is too...

he is in the Middle East....

doesnt mean that he is either A) there now. As Zarqawi has proven, there is some security in never sleeping in a bed or staying at any one safe house or B) in a country were we can reach him.


16 posted on 07/07/2005 12:40:45 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: churchillbuff
Maybe it's time FINALLY to go and get Osama? Remember Osama? Anybody? Anybody?

Sure. Go barging into the Northwest Frontier - a region no foreign power has ever controlled. Make it to where our presence in Afghanistan will no longer be tolerated and spark a widespread tribal war that will make the Sunni Triangle look like a school zone. Makes loads of sense.

Osama is an important figure, but he's also one man in a decentralized organization. The problem with the Bush Admin's approach is not with failing to go after Osama - but failing to call this war what it really is - a war against radical Islamism, not against terror per se. I could care less what Tamil Tiger terrorists are plotting on Sri Lanka - but I do care if we have Islamist cells in this country.

17 posted on 07/07/2005 12:41:29 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: churchillbuff
Prediction: I'll get flamed as a "DU provacateur" for advocating that we go after somebody who killed 3000-plus people on American soil.

***************

churchillbuff

Since Mar 16, 1998

Welcome to Free Republic. :)

18 posted on 07/07/2005 12:42:18 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: churchillbuff
even though there's no evidence that he was behind 9-11.

That may explain why President Bush never claimed Hussein was behind 9/11.

People like you both amuse and disgust me. You expend energy to mock and impede the war on terror, you're nowhere to be found as daily we post victory after victory in the GWOT, but the second something like this happens you proclaim defeat, using the Brits' suffering for your own weak position. You should be ashamed.

19 posted on 07/07/2005 12:42:27 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: churchillbuff
Make your argument, but please do not quote a miss quote.

CIA Director Porter Goss says the agency has a good idea where al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is hiding.

Is not the same as,

Goss says CIA knows where bin Laden is

20 posted on 07/07/2005 12:43:13 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: churchillbuff

I won't flame you for being concerned about Osama Bin Hidin', but I will flame you for being terribly short-sighted.

While Osama is the visible face of Islamic extremism, he is merely a symptom associated with a far wosre problem: the inability of the Muslim world to join the rest of us in the 21st century.

We can argue all day about what the "root causes" of terrorism are, and every point-counterpoint made will have some merit, but at the end of the day we're not dealing with an individual or an organization --- we're dealing with a mindset that hides under the virtue of religious belief.

When the Muslims make the great leap forward out of the 7th century, the Osamas, Saddams and Ayahtollahs will all disappear. In the meantime, unfortunately, people will die, economies will be ruined and suffering will continue.

Muslims must realize that this is a battle that they cannot win because Western society is dynamic while theirs is static. The sooner they come to this realization, and more importantly, make an effort to correct it, the better off we'll all be.

The ball is in their court. In the meantime, we must continue to defend ourselves and our allies, and meet force with force where necessary. The only alternative is surrender.


21 posted on 07/07/2005 12:43:17 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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"Refocus"? What is the basis for claiming we lost focus? Have you heard anything from the folks on the ground in Afghanistan that they do not have enough troops to do their job? Any complaints from the special forces guys that they are too busy in Iraq or elsewhere?

Facts are we have lousy intelligence on the groups, they are virtually impossible to infiltrate and we are searching for one guy in a huge area of miserable terrain. What specifically is it that you think we should be doing that you do not believe we are doing?
22 posted on 07/07/2005 12:43:23 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: churchillbuff

Oh, so now Bush is responsible for the UK's open borders?


23 posted on 07/07/2005 12:44:00 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: churchillbuff

You know where he is?
If so, tell those who can do something about it.


24 posted on 07/07/2005 12:44:03 PM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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For an example from history, I think we should look to the ex-confederate 'outlaws' of the old west.

Like the James brothers.

It's just not that easy. It'll take years, and we'll never get them all.

But victory, eventually, is certain.

25 posted on 07/07/2005 12:44:31 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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a good idea

Haven't you noticed that this never became a huge story? It's because of those three words above--we don't KNOW, we have AN IDEA. If Bush knew exactly where UBL was, he'd get him. The CIA's word is still not the gold standard, and having a "good idea" ("In Pakistan somewhere"?) isn't actionable intel. All it does is get nervous nellies thinking "Oooh! Oooh! We're letting him run free!".

Of course we should get him, but anyone who knows the most basic facts about Al Qaeda knows that it doesn't rely on one man; notice that the "planners" of 9-11 were numerous?

26 posted on 07/07/2005 12:45:04 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (6/30/05 budget deficit down http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p17s01-cogn.html)
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No flames, no rebukes, no..."when do you leave?"

I thnk it's a little tougher than that, I believe the military has a good idea where he is, but marching across foreign borders right now "wouldn't be prudent" as GHWB put it.

I've read your posts before and probably replied to a few, no need for name calling or insults, I think you're as red as the rest of us, but ask a serious question. Islam is such a deep dark place, I don't think just getting Osama will solve the problem.

27 posted on 07/07/2005 12:45:09 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: churchillbuff

Who are you again?


28 posted on 07/07/2005 12:46:19 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: churchillbuff; All

Even if we catch Osama, the war on terror will not be finished..


29 posted on 07/07/2005 12:46:57 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: churchillbuff

ZZZZZZZZZZZ. ZZZZZZZZZ.


30 posted on 07/07/2005 12:46:59 PM PDT by Stentor
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" Aren't open borders wonderful? "

How dare you be opportunistic over the deaths in London.


31 posted on 07/07/2005 12:47:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: churchillbuff

Nothing but more hot air from you.


32 posted on 07/07/2005 12:47:18 PM PDT by Run Silent Run Deep (PRAY FOR THOSE THAT HURT AND HATE US)
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To: churchillbuff

As we speak a Navy SEAL is allegedly about to be murdered. Captured while conducting secret operations.

Go ask your pathetic, sniveling, lame ass question to him.


33 posted on 07/07/2005 12:47:28 PM PDT by Pondman88
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To: churchillbuff

34 posted on 07/07/2005 12:47:43 PM PDT by Registered (They couldn't find the artist, so they hung the picture)
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To: churchillbuff

You're spewing lines of the lefties..Change the station, now!


35 posted on 07/07/2005 12:48:06 PM PDT by hope
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Exactly.


36 posted on 07/07/2005 12:48:22 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: churchillbuff

Tell that to the Navy SEALS that were lost recently in the hunt for the scum. NEWS FLASH, Even if we capture OBL terrorism would not disappear, but would continue until the radical islamists are all dead or have seen the error of their ways (yeh, like that would ever happen). Terrorism finds strength in Iran and Syria and what better way to lever pressure against them is to be in their back yard. You need to see the bigger picture.


37 posted on 07/07/2005 12:48:24 PM PDT by Godzilla (Liberals have taken the lead in the practice of arguing ad hitlerum.)
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To: Registered

A Masterpiece!


38 posted on 07/07/2005 12:48:56 PM PDT by hope
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To: churchillbuff
Maybe you should call or email Rumsfeld and tell him your thoughts. /s
39 posted on 07/07/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: churchillbuff

Are you honestly that simple?


40 posted on 07/07/2005 12:50:23 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Coop

It's all our fault, us evil Westerners should get what we deserve. All bow to Allah, wear your burka's and submit to the chosen few to rule the world.


41 posted on 07/07/2005 12:50:49 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: churchillbuff

How many years did it take us to find Eric Rudolf? And that involved our home country.


42 posted on 07/07/2005 12:50:57 PM PDT by jamz
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You gonna name names? If so, I'll stay and watch.


43 posted on 07/07/2005 12:51:05 PM PDT by RushCrush (Respect yourself before you wreck yourself. Yo.)
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To: churchillbuff
Prediction: I'll get flamed as a "DU provacateur"

Well at least you got something right

44 posted on 07/07/2005 12:51:13 PM PDT by Mo1 (We will stay in the fight until the fight is won ~~~ President G.W. Bush)
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To: churchillbuff

You're an idiot.


45 posted on 07/07/2005 12:51:40 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: churchillbuff
Glad you can speak for all the residents of London.

If you have specific criticisms of the tactics we are using, I do not think anyone is going to flame you for making them. But shots like this, on a day like today, are pushing it.
46 posted on 07/07/2005 12:51:49 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: churchillbuff

Can't find him as long as our military has to worry about mishandling the Koran.


47 posted on 07/07/2005 12:52:19 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Darkwolf377
Look into history--just because you want someone doesn't mean the government snaps its fingers and he appears.





We never "GOT" Hitler after WWII, but that did not lessen the fact that he was no longer a factor. Getting Bin Ladden would be a nice symbolic gesture, but it is far more important to neutralize the global terror network. Bin Ladden is more of an inspirational figure for the terrorists, rather than a tactical leader. I am not sure how much "inspiring" he is able to do, on the run and under cover.
48 posted on 07/07/2005 12:52:29 PM PDT by rob777
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To: churchillbuff

Call me when you get to Afghanistan or Iraq, after you capture Osama...


49 posted on 07/07/2005 12:53:15 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The real Supreme Court meets up here...God)
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To: churchillbuff
Just think you are now entered for: The Moronic Post Of The Day'!
50 posted on 07/07/2005 12:53:37 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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