CAFTA threatens sovereignty

Ag Weekly ^ | Jul 08 2005 | Cathy Roemer

[hedgetrimmer]

Another student of Saul Alinksi. My my its interesting how CAFTA always brings your type out of the woodwork.

Your insults are demeaning and do not promote a favorable impression of your side of the discussion.

Communists co-opt words all the time, if the communist anarchists use the word globalist, does that mean they own it now? No one else can use it?

[_Jim]

The short answer is local code inspectors do have to follow international law,

To quote Al Borland: "I don't think so Tim".

Besides, given what you've cited here you're mixing local 'building codes' in with something about forest fire fighting and what appears to be 'locally adopted' regulations that also appear somewhere else; this in itself does not seem onerous - and THAT is what you have to point out, the onerous part that is. I can't simply allow you to infer via a quote in an article that something is 'bad' simply because it was 'copied' from a foreign source ...

[hedgetrimmer]

Truth About Trade and Technology is a pro-free trade organization. If a news entity puts out articles that represent both sides of an issue, you think that somehow negates another persons point of view? Freerepublic has articles from both sides of the CAFTA issue, and in depth discussion. Should its credibility be questioned because of that? Should a person be barred from using Freerepublic as a resource in a discussion because they allow both sides of a discussion to be posted?

[Loud Mime]

The feds are putting a regulatory tariff on US businesses; giving them a trade agreement is giving the feds more power at the expense of independent machine shops, metal finishers, farmers, etc..

I was for CAFTA until I studied it. Get the data sheet on CAFTA; it's in the July newsletter at thotline.com.
Read it, then look at what the feds are doing to the US.

[hedgetrimmer]

I can't simply allow you to infer via a quote in an article that something is 'bad'

And yet you have inferred a relationship to communist anarchists and others in your responses to me that is completely out of the realm of civil discourse. Hmm.

[_Jim]

Communists co-opt words all the time,

Like those Seattle anti-globalists?

Your're probably right ... so, why are you all anti-progress and pro-protectionist?

Have you studied what factors lead up to the Great Depression (PROTECTIONISM)?

[hedgetrimmer]

As a pro-CAFTA person (I'd say globalist but the Seattle anarchists own that word now), how do you feel about sustainable development?

[_Jim]

I said "you're in with a 'good crowd' with this anti-globalists bent" and then proceeded to show via an article that you two are on the same side.

You need to produce the text that says "local building codes will be overridden" by some onerous foreign body now ...

[ran15]

Often foreign professionals are just as qualified if not more so then American trained professionals. Just a protectionist attitude keeps them out.. same sort of French fear of the 'polish plumber'.

It sounds pretty smart at first, limiting supply in a profession to increase the compensation. And it does work if there is only one profession doing it. The problem is every profession does it, so the cost of everything dramatically rises. The net result is actually a decrease in the standard of living.

[_Jim]

The feds are putting a regulatory tariff on US businesses;

???

Is THIS not a legitimate function/duty/right/power of the fedgov - since COLONIAL times I might add (taxes/tariffs on goods exported/imported from the country)?

[JesseJane]

You need to produce the text that says "local building codes will be overridden" by some onerous foreign body now ...

Cough.......

PAYING BRIBES/accepting same and 'putting a thumb on the scale' are as old as mankind and KNOWN about by anybody with street sense, unless, of course you just fell off the turnip truck ...

Hey, Mr. Turnip..... (to the tune of Hey Mr. Custer, I don't wanna go.................)

Do you really think there is text telling folks to look the other way??? Bwaaaaaahahhaaa.... Yes, everyone always follows the rules... just like Democrats follow rules on hipocrisy. This is too funny...

[hedgetrimmer]

Have you studied what factors lead up to the Great Depression (PROTECTIONISM)?

Again the co opting.

Protectionism:
To keep from being damaged, attacked, stolen, or injured; guard. See Synonyms at defend.

To help (domestic industry) with tariffs or quotas on imported goods.

So you say to protect something is bad? To keep it from being damaged, like our domestic economy, is bad? To keep our domestic economy from being attacked is bad? To help is bad?

If you do not believe in American sovereignty, and want to promote the global corporatist system that has been developed by the WTO, I can see why you think protecting America is bad.

Then from the global corporatist side, the American taxpayer must protect the poor in Central America by signing a "Free trade" agreement. Global corporatist say that CAFTA will protect us from China coming into the region, yet the president in Chile last winter said he welcomed China's influence in South America. And the CAFTA will protect America's security because it will give transnational corporations the ability to own assets outright and protect their desire to use the lowest cost labor including slave and child labor, because those are banned in the US but OK in Central America? Oh, I see what you have against protectionism. It can't be used for America, but it can be used for transnational corporations whose investments are protected by the American taxpayer, OPIC and a multitude of domestic federal agencies who've been assigned to go to Central America and "build trade capacity".

[_Jim]

Do you really think there is text telling folks to look the other way???

Yeah, I do (if certain 'things' are to be believed)

See the Alex Jones line of disinfo -er- propagada -er- material I posted on the previous page (WHICH I presume yiu skipped over since it wasn't addressed to you BUT is now directly applicable).

I will state up front, if I haven't already, that I think you are at a decided disadvantage in this current discussion (very likely) owing to various hormonal, emotional and (lack of) comprehension factors.

I just don't want you to cry and become emotionally uncontrolled when it isn't entirely my fault - I have now issued what I consider 'fair warning'.

[_Jim]

Again the co opting.

Folks, he's hopeless!

He's got his head planted in the sand ...

[_Jim]

Have you had any luck finding the text that says "local building codes will be overridden" by some onerous foreign body yet?

[hedgetrimmer]

And are you a sustainable developer?

[JesseJane]

roflmao..

Yes, if I'm emotional you must let me know. So far, I've not pointed out your um...shortcomings... but.. please have at it.

I'll wait.

[ran15]

I don't personally believe China needs America's help in developing its economy. I think with trade and selling them things we speed it up. But even then how much do we really speed it up? We aren't the only developed nation, for example in cell phones all the big players are there. If Motorolla dropped out, it would just hurt our companies, it wouldn't have that much impact on China.

Trade makes both partners wealthier, so trading with China helps us too. Right now they aren't inventing much yet, so its mainly in low cost products, keeping inflation down. And them importing world resources, helping resource exporters.

[_Jim]

sustainable developer

You never answered *my* first question which is still on the floor - "what is a globalist"

I found a WHOLE lot of nut-ball stuff doing a Gooooooogle search, but somehow I don't think you're as loopy as the sources I quoted; we need your working definition of 'globalist'.

We also need your idea of just what kind of 'trade chains' you think mankind in this hemisphere should be saddled with; I say take them all off and let trade flow freely (Libertarian viewpoint).

Your idea would seem to involve at least 'keeping things as they are' with an active Customs/tax collecting agency actively 'taxing' anything that moves in or out of the country ...

[_Jim]

Say goodnight Jane.