US losing to India in Science

Indian Express ^ | 10 july 2005 | Retuers

[DoctorMichael]

What the heck does Creationism have to do with outsourcing engineering and technical research to China?

If you can't see, its worse than I thought.

[SubMareener]

Sputnik was not solved by throwing money at it. We were taught mathematics and science. I can still remember the "mental calisthenics" that my eighth grade math teacher put us through each morning. He read lists of three digit numbers and we had to do the sums in our heads. In English class, we diagrammed sentences. You were actually told when you got the wrong answer, and what the right answer was.

[RFEngineer]

"Anybody majoring in Engineering at this time is in for a rude shock upon graduation. I wouldn't recommend it."

Ok, what should they major in? Shouldn't a college education include a challenging course of study?

You mistake a college education for trade school - lots of people do.

Prospective students: Study engineering and other technical disciplines. work hard. Be rewarded far above your peers who decided to simply "have a good time" in college while taking the easy route.

[cyborg]

That's what I was wondering myself!

[RFEngineer]

"If you can't see, its worse than I thought."

Why should it matter if China and India do all science, engineering and other research. Won't that free us up for more bible study?

[SubMareener]

So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist? Tell that to Dr. Raymond Damadian one of the pioneers in Magnetic Resonance Imaging. However, being a Bible-believing Christian will keep you from getting a Nobel Prize for it.

[ken21]

and spellin', 2!

things r gettin' bad.

[DoctorMichael]

So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist?

I didn't say that, you did.

Nonetheless: Creationism = Crap.

[RFEngineer]

"So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist?"

So if you don't believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective Christian?

God created physics, too......many billions of years ago.

[cyborg]

Well if you think creationism is crap then anyone who believes it is believing in crap. Someone who believes in crap can't be effective so just say the truth. You have such anger towards people who believe in creation which is amazing to me. What has God done to you in life?

[cyborg]

That's very interesting. I think a person has to be brave to be a christian in science. Just look at the comments on this thread. It's a jungle out there.

[From many - one.]

"Sputnik was not solved by throwing money at it..."

Oh, but it was. I can't tell you how many people got their science and engineering training thanks to "research assistantships" and "teachg assistantships" but it's a very big number and it includes me.

Nowadays we have practically no funds going to advanced education. Fewer and fewer students can make it though college in 4 years because of the work requirements associated with student loans. Then they face enormous grad school costs and are in competition with foreign students whose governments, in many cases, are paying theor way,

[A. Pole]

Fewer and fewer students can make it though college in 4 years because of the work requirements associated with student loans. Then they face enormous grad school costs and are in competition with foreign students whose governments, in many cases, are paying theor way,

See my tagline

[DoctorMichael]

......anyone who believes it is believing in crap.....

You took the words out of my mouth. Thanks!

What has God done to you in life?

THIS is a different subject altogether! Besides, I hardly know you.

[RFEngineer]

"The study said deteriorating opportunities and comparative wages for young science and engineering graduates has discouraged US students from entering these fields, but not those born in other countries. "

The only thing discouraging US students from entering these fields is that it is hard, and most students don't want to have to work hard. Also some are simply not prepared out of high school to take on a rigorous course of study.

Engineering graduates are still among the highest paid graduates......It's the poly-sci and sociology graduates that have the rude awakening after they graduate.

[SauronOfMordor]

I think "Chindia" was supposed to be "China" in the title

[SauronOfMordor]

Never mind, I got it "China-India" = Chindia. Need more coffee

[SauronOfMordor]

Engineering graduates are still among the highest paid graduates......It's the poly-sci and sociology graduates that have the rude awakening after they graduate.

The poly-sci's get their rude awakenings when they graduate, the engineers when they turn 40

An engineer needs to spend his 30's preparing to start his own business

[RFEngineer]

"Much better choice is law. BTW how many lawyers are in Congress and how many engineers or scientists?"

By your same logic, one should encourage your children to play professional sports....afterall, look how much they make, and how they are revered in society.

I don't know where you think this stuff up - that it is hard to keep a family together and raise children as an engineer......It's just so contrary to reality. Maybe you have a different anectdote to share? Are you a divorced, unemployed engineer??

[SandyB]

Anybody majoring in Engineering at this time is in for a rude shock upon graduation. I wouldn't recommend it.

Nor computer science, accounting, medical transcription, etc. maybe even law, since the work that new law school graduates used to do:research etc, is now starting to be outsourced to India.