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SCANDAL IMPLOSION (Rove/Cooper/Wilson)
NY Post ^ | July 12, 2005 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 07/11/2005 11:18:25 PM PDT by Howlin

I WROTE a column on Oct. 10, 2003, about the strange case of Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame.

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...I offered my speculation of what an administration official might have said to a journalist to explain just how Wilson — a Clinton administration official — got the assignment in the first place: "Administration official: 'We didn't send him there. Cheney's office asked CIA to get more information. CIA picked Wilson . . . Look, I hear his wife's in the CIA. He's got nothing to do. She wanted to throw him a bone.' "

Hate to say I told you so, but . . .

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There's no mistaking the purpose of this conversation between Cooper and Rove. It wasn't intended to discredit, defame or injure Wilson's wife. It was intended to throw cold water on the import, seriousness and supposedly high level of Wilson's findings.

While some may differ on the fairness of discrediting Joseph Wilson, it sure isn't any kind of crime.

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So if the offense wasn't against Plame, what of the offense against Wilson? There was no offense. As many of Joe Wilson's own hottest defenders would no doubt argue in relation to President Bush, exposing a liar is not only not a crime, it's a public service.

And Wilson lied. Repeatedly.

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What isn't controversial is this: Karl Rove didn't "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA agent to intimidate Joe Wilson. He was dismissing Joe Wilson as a low-level has-been hack to whom nobody should pay attention. He was right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right.

And if Valerie wants to live a quiet spy life, she should stop having her picture taken by society photographers and stop getting stories written about her on the front page of the Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; cialeak; cooper; hasbeen; miller; niger; plame; podhoretz; rove; wilson; yellowcake
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1 posted on 07/11/2005 11:18:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: cyncooper; Shermy; nopardons; MJY1288; Miss Marple; Mo1; deport; weegee; ...

One more.


2 posted on 07/11/2005 11:20:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Most excellent post! Been waiting for this one!


3 posted on 07/11/2005 11:20:24 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: JennysCool

I went looking for it.


4 posted on 07/11/2005 11:22:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
BWAHAHAHAHA !!!!

The perfect Rovian storm. Well kinda .

5 posted on 07/11/2005 11:23:35 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Family's)
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To: JennysCool

"Rove was suggesting to Cooper that that folks lower down in the CIA than its own director commandeered the process so that the husband of one of their own could get the gig. And the husband in question then went and misrepresented his findings to various journalists (The Washington Post's Walter Pincus and The New York Times's Nicholas Kristof) and then in his own now-famous Times op-ed. "


6 posted on 07/11/2005 11:24:18 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
And if Valerie wants to live a quiet spy life, she should stop having her picture taken by society photographers and stop getting stories written about her on the front page of the Times.

Add to this her husband's very public political influence within the dem party.

7 posted on 07/11/2005 11:24:33 PM PDT by eric_da_grate
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To: Howlin
And Wilson lied. Repeatedly.

I still think all the leaks will lead back to Wilson himself.

8 posted on 07/11/2005 11:25:21 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: concerned about politics

If that happens, I will drive to where you are and we will dance in the street.


9 posted on 07/11/2005 11:26:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Thanks! I'm bookmarking ALL of these articles. :-)


10 posted on 07/11/2005 11:26:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: JennysCool

Oh, nonsense.

We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Many here accused Kerry of treason - using a fairly wide description of that term.

Perhaps he was .. I dunno.

But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

What rank hypocrisy.

Sadim


11 posted on 07/11/2005 11:26:48 PM PDT by sadimgnik
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To: Howlin
If that happens, I will drive to where you are and we will dance in the street.

I will meet you all there.

12 posted on 07/11/2005 11:28:24 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: eric_da_grate
Add to this her husband's very public political influence within the dem party.

And revenge for getting publicly slapped in the face for lying about Africa is one heck of a good motive.

13 posted on 07/11/2005 11:28:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: nopardons

On the Latest Posts page, if you click on CIA, they all should be there!


14 posted on 07/11/2005 11:29:30 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
If that happens, I will drive to where you are and we will dance in the street.

I'm going to remember that too, Howlin. I'll be watching for your car.

15 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: sadimgnik
Gusee you didn't actually go to the article.

No surprise, probably. You surface-skimmers never do.:

What isn't controversial is this: Karl Rove didn't "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA agent to intimidate Joe Wilson. He was dismissing Joe Wilson as a low-level has-been hack to whom nobody should pay attention. He was right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right.

And if Valerie Plame wants to live a quiet spy life, she should stop having her picture taken by society photographers and stop getting stories written about her on the front page of the Times.

16 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card. What rank hypocrisy.

It always helps to have the FACTS before you accuse othres of hypocrisy. Otherwise you look like a complete and utter fool.

17 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

BUMP!!


18 posted on 07/11/2005 11:31:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

Rove didnt out anybody..

19 posted on 07/11/2005 11:31:38 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Relocate Guantanamo inmates to Dick "Rhymes with Turban" Durbin's house..)
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To: concerned about politics

It is almost too much to hope for, isn't it?


20 posted on 07/11/2005 11:31:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: JennysCool

Wow, that one hasn't posted in seven months and jumped up to smack you around..........LOL.


21 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives

Could you post a link?

22 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:13 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: sadimgnik

You need to read up on the law which you are accusing Rove of violating. (Somewhat like Howard Dean saying that Tom DeLay should go back to Texas to serve his jail term, when Tom Delay hasn't been indicted of a crime.)


23 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:23 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

Source?
Oh, nevermind. Just go away.

24 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin

Thanks...I didn't realize that.


25 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

It's just based on keywords and I honestly don't know how long they stay there, so I bookmark them, but it does help to find them.


26 posted on 07/11/2005 11:34:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: concerned about politics

"He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has two sons and two daughters."


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Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV

Ambassador Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa, He was one of the principal architecs of President Clinton's historic trip to Africa in March 1998.

Ambassador Wilson was the Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe, 1995-1997. He served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. From 1998 to 1991, Ambassador Wilson served in Baghdad, Iraq as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy. During ''Desert Shield'' he was the acting Ambassador and was responsible for the negotiations that resulted in the release of several hundred American hostages. He was the last official American to meet with Saddam Hussein before the launching of ''Desert Storm.''

Ambassador Wilson was a member of the U.S. Diplomatic Service from 1976 until 1998. His early assignments included Niamey, Niger, 1976-1978; Lome, Togo, 1978-79; the State Department Brueau of African Affairs, 1979-1981; and Pretoria, South Africa, 1981-1982.

In 1982, he was appointed Deputy Chief of Mission in Bujumbura, Burundi. In 1985-1986, he served in the offices of Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Representative Thomas Foley, as an American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow. He was Deputy Chief of Mission in Brazzaville, Congo, 1986-88, prior to his assignment to Baghdad.

Ambassador Wilson was raised in California and graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1972. He is a graduate of the Senior Seminar (1972), the most advanced International Affairs training offered by the U.S. Government. He speaks fluent French.

Ambassador Wilson holds the Department of Distinguished Service Award, the Department of State Superior and Meritorious Honor Awards, the University of California, Santa Barbara Distinguished Alumnus Award, and the American Foreign Service Association William R. Rivkin Award. Additionally, he has been decorated as a Commander in the Order of the Equatorial Star by the Government of Gabon and as an Admiral in the El Paso Navy by the El Paso County Commissioners.

He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has two sons and two daughters.


http://www.cpsag.com/our_team/wilson.html


CPS Corporate & Public Strategy Advisory Group is a consultancy company providing strategic advice in public affairs and corporate and investment development, to both corporate and public spheres.


27 posted on 07/11/2005 11:34:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Howlin

Great post Howlin. Bull's-eye.


28 posted on 07/11/2005 11:34:53 PM PDT by B.Bumbleberry
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To: sadimgnik

She was NOT a 'secret agent' she was a mid level pencil pushing analyst who drove her BMW to work at CIA HQ in Langley, Va EVERY DAY. Now be a good boy and go dag the hocket before I piss in your billabong


29 posted on 07/11/2005 11:35:02 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Howlin

30 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:11 PM PDT by martin_fierro (</obvious>)
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To: sadimgnik

horse hockey. read the article, read the law.


31 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:53 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: sadimgnik
You like making yourself look like a total idiot in public, do you?

Even IF Rove "outed" old Valerie, which he didn't do, he committed NO "treason". Plame was NOT a "covert" operative, neither had she been one for well over five years ( the time limit, dear, go read what exactly is a crime! ),and she committed a crime, by sending her attention grasping husband on a trip he wasn't qualified to do and that's nepotism. It's also abject stupidity, but they're Dems. WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE?

32 posted on 07/11/2005 11:39:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

You know, if this thing wasn't being presented as the latest retro Bush-bash, folks would notice that the elephant in the room is federal government spouses not only working together, but sending each other on assignments. I thought this sort of incestuous behavior was frowned upon.


33 posted on 07/11/2005 11:40:38 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: Howlin

A read for the AM, I'm too tired :-)


34 posted on 07/11/2005 11:41:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: Armigerous

Roves uncanny ability to get the Left to hang itself over and over again---well it makes me smile...Mr Leftie "Hoisted with his own petard".


35 posted on 07/11/2005 11:42:04 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (whats wrong with a draft?)
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To: Howlin
sadim is either a troll, or just someone who shouldn't be on FR. Read his personal page, he's an Aussie, a journalist ( or so he claims ) and get this...A PROUD MODERATE.
36 posted on 07/11/2005 11:42:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

Yeah, you gotta watch out for those lurking smackers! :-)


37 posted on 07/11/2005 11:43:21 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: Howlin

I think that I have bookmarked most of the threads about this, but I go see if I've missed any. I want this info, on hand, when it's proven that Rove didn't "out" Valerie. :-)


38 posted on 07/11/2005 11:44:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin
It is almost too much to hope for, isn't it?

Maybe it is.

Here's my story. Wilson wrote a book. He gave a pre-press sneak peek of the book to a few reporters.
A reporter on MSNBC or CNN did an on air book review, marveling at the yellow cake scam. According to the reporter, Wilson gives all the credit for the book to his wife, Valerie Plame.
The reporter goes on. As she's talking, she says Wilson claims his wife is an under agent for the CIA, but refuses to give her name.
About a week later, a "leak" has been discovered.
The first printing of the book is put on hold. Later, there's a new book with a new title that screams "victim."

But I could be wrong.

39 posted on 07/11/2005 11:45:17 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: nopardons

Ha! Wouldn't Rush have all kinds of fun with "a proud moderate"!


40 posted on 07/11/2005 11:45:37 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: martin_fierro

CIA Secret Agent Valerie Plame, pictured above with husband Joseph Wilson, at the big 'Vanity Fair' bash to honor the Tribeca Film Festival. Other guests included: Robert DeNiro, Nicole Kidman, Barry Diller, Willem Dafoe, John McEnroe, David Bowie, Sean "P. Diddy" Combs and many others.

And the question remains: What, exactly, does the Hollywood left want with a CIA secret agent and her low-level diplomat husband? Oh yeah..... Stop Bush!

41 posted on 07/11/2005 11:45:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: concerned about politics
I posted this on another thread:

Posted by Howlin to weegee
On News/Activism 07/12/2005 1:49:36 AM EDT · 28 of 33

From the Wall Street Journal:

Mr. Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, last week denied that Mr. Rove had contacted Mr. Cooper last Wednesday (which Matt Cooper certainly said standing on the steps of the courthouse), and said that when Mr. Rove spoke to Mr. Cooper two years ago, "Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identification to anyone. That's not a technical statement. That's as practical and direct as I can make it." He also told The Wall Street Journal that Mr. Rove had never asked any reporter to treat him as a confidential source in the matter, "so if Matt Cooper is going to jail to protect a source, it's not Karl he's protecting."

Now let's discuss this statement from this article:

"Cooper, according to an internal Time e-mail obtained by Newsweek magazine, spoke with Rove before Novak's column was published. In the conversation, Rove gave Cooper a "big warning" that Wilson's claims might not be entirely accurate and that it wasn't the director of the CIA or the vice president who sent Wilson on his trip. Rove apparently told Cooper that it was "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on WMD (weapons of mass destruction) issues who authorized the trip," according to a story in Newsweek's July 18 issue.

Where is the proof that Rove said that part of that sentence? For all we know, Cooper added that to the email himself......because everybody in D.C. knew where she worked. FGS, he is married to Mandy Grundwald and she sure as hell knew.

42 posted on 07/11/2005 11:47:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Lancey Howard

Damn! You've done gone and "outed" her! :-)


43 posted on 07/11/2005 11:47:47 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Here is Deborah Orin's article.


44 posted on 07/11/2005 11:49:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: nopardons

Yeah, I just read over sadimgnik's recent posting history and he/she/it is definitely a troll.
"King Midas" is best ignored.

Regards,
LH


45 posted on 07/11/2005 11:50:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin

They're popping up all over the place. The mods have been playing "Whack a Troll" all day long.

The funniest part is, these goofs really thought they had something. With this dud of a story, they were actually smelling blood in the water.

Simpletons.


46 posted on 07/11/2005 11:50:09 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (I (heart) Karl Rove)
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To: JennysCool

That he would, that he would! And since this site is NOT for "moderates" ( what's a "moderate Conservative anyway ? ), Mr Aussie I am a journalist ( yeah, sure, and if my grandmother had wheels....LOL ) should just shut up about things he doesn't know anything at all about. But noooooooooo, he shoots his bloody mouth off instead.


47 posted on 07/11/2005 11:50:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

After seven months, I wouldn't be able to remember my user name OR my password.......but, of course, to them it's a high art form.


48 posted on 07/11/2005 11:52:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: sadimgnik

You haven't been paying attention or reading a damn thing have you?


49 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:04 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Howlin

Damned straight Mandy G. knew!


50 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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