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Democrats Smell Scandal, Want Rove Removed
CNSNews.com Senior Editor ^ | July 12, 2005 | By Susan Jones

Posted on 07/12/2005 5:23:40 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance

(CNSNews.com) -- Democrats think they've found a way to get rid of President Bush's political adviser Karl Rove, who has long been a favorite target of liberal wrath.

"Karl Rove and his high priced lawyers might disagree, but the truth is Rove betrayed the identity of an undercover officer fighting on the front lines in the war on terror. These actions are particularly egregious in a time of war," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean in a statement released Monday evening.

Dean said President Bush should demonstrate his commitment to the war on terror by holding Rove "accountable."

"It is disturbing that this high-ranking Bush adviser is not only still working in the White House, but now has a significant role in setting our National Security policy," Dean said.

Rove, who serves as deputy White House chief of staff, mentioned a CIA agent in passing, during a July 2003 conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper.

But Rove's lawyer now tells the Washington Post that Rove did not identify the agent by name and had no intention of "outing" her. (It is illegal to deliberately expose a covert agent whose identity the government is trying to conceal.)

Valerie Plame, the secret agent in question, is the wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a man who publicly challenged the Bush administration's claim that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. Wilson accused the Bush administration of "outing" his wife as retaliation for his criticism.

'Wilson's wife'

Rove reportedly told Cooper that it was "Wilson' wife, who apparently works at the agency" -- who had arranged Wilson's trip to Niger.

A few days later, columnist Robert Novak named Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in a July 2003 column. It was Novak's column that prompted a grand jury investigation into the White House leak.

It's not clear if Rove was also Novak's source. It's also not clear if Rove is a target of the ongoing grand jury investigation

This week, Rove's lawyer told the Washington Post that Rove did not know the name of Wilson's wife when he spoke with Cooper, and he did not mention Wilson's wife to make her identity public. Rove mentioned "Wilson's wife" only to let Cooper know that no one in the Bush administration had sent Wilson to Niger -- and that Time shouldn't believe everything it was hearing from Wilson.

On the other hand, Democrats don't believe anything they're hearing from Rove.

They say his conversation with Time magazine's Cooper "raises a host of new unanswered questions," including:

-- Who told Rove about Wilson's wife? "Rove had to find out about Plame and her job from someone. Where did this information come from? Who else leaked besides Rove?" the DNC is asking.

-- Who in the Bush administration told New York Times reporter Judith Miller about Plame? "The information cannot have come from Rove, since Rove has 'released' Cooper from confidentiality," the DNC said. " If Rove were Miller's source, wouldn't he do the same for her? So who was Miller -- a reporter working on WMDs -- talking to?" (Miller is now serving time in jail for refusing to reveal her confidential source.)

-- Why did Rove previously deny his involvement in the Plame controversy? The DNC noted that in August 2004, Rove told reporters he didn't know Plame's name in July 2003 and did not leak her name.

But the DNC isn't buying that: "Since Wilson obviously had only one wife and everyone knew who it was, Rove unquestionably did identify Plame."

The DNC also is angry with White House Press Secretary Scott McClellen.

In October 2003, McClellan was asked at a White House briefing, "Scott, earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the [Valerie Plame] leak. I wondered if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?"

McClellan responded: "Those individuals -- I talked, I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands."

"Did Rove commit perjury in front of the grand jury?" the DNC is now asking. "We know his initial public statements and his statements to Scott McClellan were false. And we know that after testifying once, they (the grand jury) called him back. Did Rove change his answers to the grand jury the same way he changed his answers to the press?"

Suspend Rove's security clearance

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a group with ties to Democrats, has sent a letter to President Bush, asking him to immediately suspend Karl Rove's security clearance, pending the outcome of the federal investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame's name.

"The evidence uncovered so far raises serious questions about Mr. Rove's conduct and his ability to safeguard highly sensitive classified information," Melanie Sloan, executive director of CREW, said in a press release.

"Until those questions are resolved, CREW believes it is not appropriate for Mr. Rove to have continued access to classified information. Anything short of suspension raises an unacceptable risk to our nation's security," Sloan wrote to Bush.

The White House is not commenting on the allegations involving Rove, citing the ongoing grand jury investigation.

President Bush previously said he would deal with anyone in his administration who leaked sensitive information.

"If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action," Bush said on Sept. 30, 2003. He called the investigation into the leak, launched that same day, "a good thing."

The White House is not likely to do anything or say anything more until that federal investigation is complete, but Democrats and liberal interest groups -- furious at the Bush administration for a number of reasons -- are not expected to let the matter rest.


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To: Rocket1968
The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a news column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation, U.S. officials say.

Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana.

The documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said.

Washington Times

First, the C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time, and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.

Source: Nicholas Kristof w/ the NY Times

Also reported by Newsmax:

"The C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given [Plame's] name [along with those of other spies] to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time, and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons."

Newsmax

41 posted on 07/12/2005 6:46:36 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Amazing title - Dims stay neck-deep in their own excrement and can't smell sh*t, but consider someone's response to clarify left-wing lies and deceptions to be a stinking scandal.


42 posted on 07/12/2005 6:49:01 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: ravingnutter
Plame was "outed" in 1994 to the Russians by Aldrich Ames, that is why she was reassigned to desk duties in DC as an analyst, she was not covert.

Really? Got a source on this? Would be interesting if true!

43 posted on 07/12/2005 6:56:59 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: ravingnutter

Cool. Thanks for the links


44 posted on 07/12/2005 6:59:29 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Rove has committed no crime, no immoral act, nothing wrong. Even if he did inadvertently or intentionally mention a former CIA agent, so what. My wife went to college with two guys who went to work for the CIA. Would it be a crime if she said their names.

Now I know why the RATS are called DUmmies.


45 posted on 07/12/2005 6:59:42 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
"Wilson' wife, who apparently works at the agency"

It's pretty clear what happened here. Cooper asked why Wilson was sent to Niger, and Rove said the trip was arranged " . . . by his wife, who works at the agency." Many in Washington apparently knew Wilson's wife worked at the agency, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the loudmouth Wilson who was the original source of the info. At any rate, this exchange makes it clear that Rove wasn't trying to "out" Plame or "punish" Wilson - in response to a question, he was just explaining what happened. Some scandal. (sarcasm)
46 posted on 07/12/2005 7:05:34 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: MortMan
The only scandal they are smelling emanates from themselves, IMO.

Yep. They're smelling their upper lip and hoping the stench is coming from somewhere else.

The Dims are DREAMING if they think Rove is going anywhere.....

Wouldn't it be nice if the Dims actually cared about representing their consituents and actually doing the country's business instead of playing "gotcha" politics? Wouldn't it be nice if just once they'd offer a plan of action that didn't involve hanging a 'Pubbie? Opps, wait, now I'm dreaming........

47 posted on 07/12/2005 7:09:59 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: linkinpunk

Some of them have a rotten fish smell about them.


48 posted on 07/12/2005 7:11:43 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: VictoryGal

McClellan has never been very good, and yesterday he was at his worst. He should have put that little prick David Gregory in his place and said, "We are not going to comment further on an ongoing investigation. Mr Rove's attorney has made a statement, the President is satisfied with that statement, and we are not going to add to that at this time. Period."


49 posted on 07/12/2005 7:13:31 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ravingnutter

People seem to have forgotton how Grand Jury's work. The original intent of their being convened may be far from their final outcome. If they uncover side issues that they deem worthy of investigation they will investigate. A person that is totally irrelevant to the original investigation may wind up getting indicted on an un-related charge......


50 posted on 07/12/2005 7:14:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: RacerF150
I would actually like to see Rove resign...

And run to become President Karl Rove hmm.. Liberals would go insane. I like it!
51 posted on 07/12/2005 7:15:59 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

So, what does Matt Cooper do for the rest of his life? drive a bus? First he hands his notes on super deep background over to the court, and then he leaks his email to Iakoff. He comes off as a real slimeball. Isn't all this fuss about Rove just a coverup for revealing what a creep Cooper is? I'll wait for the prosecutor to finish his investigation before deciding about Rove, but I know what I think of Cooper, now.


52 posted on 07/12/2005 7:16:28 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks! For a raving nutter you sure do good research!


53 posted on 07/12/2005 7:17:50 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Fierce Allegiance
The MSM is just responding to the 'call from Hillary' to put more effort into investigating and focusing on the Bush Administration. The MSM has responded loudly and clearly!!
54 posted on 07/12/2005 7:20:28 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: Fierce Allegiance
No one is more politically brilliant than Karl Rove. He is a strategist without peers.

With that said, why are the democRats insisting on pressing this issue, which obviously is going to back fire on them, and make them AND Howie Dean look even dumber than they actually are???? The democRats are going to come out of this looking like asses. But wait.....the ass IS their national party symbol isn't it. And the biggest ass in the USA is their party chairman, Dr. Demento. Enough said???

hehehehehe
55 posted on 07/12/2005 7:22:43 AM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: ClaireSolt
So, what does Matt Cooper do for the rest of his life? drive a bus? First he hands his notes on super deep background over to the court, and then he leaks his email to Iakoff.

Uh, Cooper didn't turn over any emails, it was his employer. Cooper claims that he was ready to go to jail to protect the source.

56 posted on 07/12/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by madfgurtbn
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To: GeorgeW23225

The whole point here is this: The RATS know that Rove is the mastermind that defeated them in the last election and they are out to get him. That is it, plain and simple. Getting Rove demoted is necessary for the DUmmies to win more elections. This has nothing to do with Rove doing anything illegal.


57 posted on 07/12/2005 7:29:43 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: TheForceOfOne

Great idea!! Better still, how about having President Bush give Karl Rove a lifetime appointment to SCOTUS?? If you REALLY want to drive the democRats crazy, that would do it for sure!!


58 posted on 07/12/2005 7:30:40 AM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I'm well aware of what this is REALLY about, but I still can't believe the democRats are falling into the trap. Just when you think that the democRats can't get any dumber, they do......


59 posted on 07/12/2005 7:34:09 AM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: xzins

spot on post.


60 posted on 07/12/2005 7:42:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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