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Canadian National Public Radio Broadcasts Call for State Control of Religion
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 20 July 2005

Posted on 07/19/2005 5:16:30 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

OTTAWA, July 19, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Just as Senate approaches the final vote on the gay 'marriage' bill, C-38, Canada's national public radio CBC Radio has aired a commentary by a retired professor from the Royal Military College calling for state control over religion, specifically Catholicism. While parliamentarians dismissed warnings by numerous religious leaders and experts that such laws would lead to religious persecution, former professor Bob Ferguson has called for "legislation to regulate the practice of religion."

"Given the inertia of the Catholic Church, perhaps we could encourage reform by changing the environment in which all religions operate," Ferguson began his commentary in measured tones yesterday. "Couldn't we insist that human rights, employment and consumer legislation apply to them as it does other organizations? Then it would be illegal to require a particular marital status as a condition of employment or to exclude women from the priesthood. "

Ferguson continued, "Of course the Vatican wouldn't like the changes, but they would come to accept them in time as a fact of life in Canada. Indeed I suspect many clergy would welcome the external pressure."

The former professor pitched his idea as a boon to religious freedom. "We could also help the general cause of religious freedom by introducing a code of moral practice for religions," he said. "They will never achieve unity so why not try for compatibility? Can't religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?"

Ferguson, would see religion regulated by provinces in the same way professions are regulated. "I am an engineer so the model I am thinking about is rather like the provincial acts regulating the practice of engineering," he said. "For example, engineers must have an engineering degree from a recognized university or pass qualification exams. They must have a number of years of practical experience and pass an ethics exam. The different branches: mechanical, electrical, civil and the like have a code of practice that applies to everyone. Why can't religious groups do the same?"

Continuing his comparison Ferguson stated, "I envisage a congress meeting to hammer out a code that would form the basis of legislation to regulate the practice of religion. Like the professional engineers' P.Eng designation, there would then be RRPs (or registered religious practitioners). To carry the analogy to its conclusion, no one could be a religious practitioner without this qualification."

Ferguson also suggests 'obvious' prohibitions on religion including preaching of 'hate'. "I won't try to propose what might be in the new code except for a few obvious things: A key item would have to be a ban on claims of exclusivity. It should be unethical for any RRP to claim that theirs was the one true religion and believers in anything else or nothing were doomed to fire and brimstone. One might also expect prohibition of ritual circumcisions, bans on preaching hate or violence, the regulation of faith healers, protocols for missionary work, etc.," says Ferguson.

The retired professor concluded his comments aired on CBC yesterday morning saying, "Now what is the point of proposing this? I do it because I am worried that the separation between church and state is under threat. Religion is important in our lives, but it can become a danger to society when people claim that the unalterable will of God is the basis for their opinions and actions. Yes religion can be a comfort and a guide, but we cannot take rules from our holy books and apply them to the modern world without democratic debate and due regard for the law."

Listen to an audio recording of the commentary: http://cbc.ca/commentary/media/20050718JUL18.ram


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; bigot; canada; canuckistan; censorship; communism; liberaltalkradio; publicradio
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Only a matter of time before Lard Ass Kennedy and the liberal sewer rats import this idea!
1 posted on 07/19/2005 5:16:33 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think the idea is to cobble a generalized/world religion.


2 posted on 07/19/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: sionnsar

FYI


3 posted on 07/19/2005 5:20:57 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well, someone is full of themselves.


4 posted on 07/19/2005 5:21:34 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Ted will propose it only if he can establish himself as the Bishop of the Church of The Sauce.

On a serious note, the DNC does fancy itself as an American branch of any number of left-wing European Parties. They still worship that quaint, but horribly destructive, mystical religion called Marxism.


5 posted on 07/19/2005 5:21:42 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Bad Idea

VERY BAD IDEA

Canada needs to look at the histories of Europe, Middle East, and Japan
for a little reality orientation of state regulated religion
7 posted on 07/19/2005 5:23:40 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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"I envisage a congress meeting to hammer out a code that would form the basis of legislation to regulate the practice of religion...."

A serpent. Yea. And the code will be formulated by Immans.


8 posted on 07/19/2005 5:24:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Aussie Dasher
A key item would have to be a ban on claims of exclusivity. It should be unethical for any RRP to claim that theirs was the one true religion and believers in anything else or nothing were doomed to fire and brimstone.

OMG, this guy is a total leftist whackjob. This can't possibly be taken seriously.
9 posted on 07/19/2005 5:26:04 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Great idea, leave the Muslims alone and persecute the Catholics. Unless you like snow-shoeing, there's no reason to live in Canada.


10 posted on 07/19/2005 5:28:18 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Aussie Dasher
The former professor pitched his idea as a boon to religious freedom

Ever notice how all socialist and those who introduce laws and requirements that lead to the enslvement of people ALWAYS say it is to benefit those that it will really hurt.

(cue music): "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony that ALL LIBERALS ARE LIARS"

11 posted on 07/19/2005 5:31:52 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Going to war might mean terrorism, NOT going to war means slavery and death)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Another bleating from a charter member of the "government ought to regulate everything" crowd. At least when Henry VIII tried it he wanted to boink Jane Seymour.


12 posted on 07/19/2005 5:32:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Aussie Dasher

Now airing on frequency 666.


13 posted on 07/19/2005 5:33:37 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Aussie Dasher

Will they be jailing all the people practicing non state-approved religion? Maybe send them to re-education camps? This article sent a shiver up my spine.

We can laugh at this whackjob now, but who knows in the next
10-20 years..

Keep your powder dry.


14 posted on 07/19/2005 5:44:56 PM PDT by somniferum
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To: Aussie Dasher

"..... legislation to regulate the practice of religion. Like the professional engineers' P.Eng designation, there would then be RRPs (or registered religious practitioners). To carry the analogy to its conclusion, no one could be a religious practitioner without this qualification."


No doubt then the government will also find it necessary to regulate the various accoutrements that go along with it... a bible tax, cross tax, prayerbook tax....... Hail Mary authorization stamps....plastic Jesus on your dashboard tax.....gotta fund all that tolerance, doncha know, eh?


15 posted on 07/19/2005 5:46:58 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: popdonnelly
...leave the Muslims alone and persecute the Catholics.

Of course you leave the Muslims alone! If you mess with them, they'll kill you!

(steely)

16 posted on 07/19/2005 5:47:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
IT'S RELIGION, NOT ENGINEERING!

This nutcase would be better off sticking to being retired! In the event that Canada now includes "social engineering" within the realm of Professional Engineering disciplines (which wouldn't surprise me), it would appear that in his quest for imposition of some sort of code of practice, he appears to have forgotten that one, as an engineer, should not be getting involved with engineering disciplines that one knows absolutely nothing about!

The difference is that Engineering has adopted a Code of Ethics without State interference, while religion (and the morality derived therefrom) forms the basis for that Code

BTW, I am a Professional Engineer myself. This idiot should have his license revoked or retired. This reflects poorly on the profession.

17 posted on 07/19/2005 6:06:07 PM PDT by castlebrew (true gun control is hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Dishonest headline. It isn't "Canadian National Public Radio" it's "Canadian Public Radio" --- the clear intent is to suggest that NPR holds this position, which it doesn't. We can wipe the floor with liberals without making asses of ourselves in the process.


18 posted on 07/19/2005 6:06:51 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The former professor pitched his idea as a boon to religious freedom. "We could also help the general cause of religious freedom by introducing a code of moral practice for religions," he said. "They will never achieve unity so why not try for compatibility? Can't religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?"

Can you say Sharia?

19 posted on 07/19/2005 6:08:42 PM PDT by Alouette (Just when I think liberals can't get any more stupid, I'm wrong.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Hmmm. One of the oppressors of religion by the
state actually oppressed two: Judaism AND Christianity.

Tell me, class. Does anybody know who that was?

I will give you a hint. He wore a funny looking mustache, shot himself in the head and he was a vegetarian who may well have had a venereal disease. (At least his personal physician was a VD specialist.)


20 posted on 07/19/2005 6:09:44 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Billthedrill
when Henry VIII tried it he wanted to boink Jane Seymour.

Henry VIII tried it when he wanted to make Anne Boleyn the Queen after he boinked her. Then when he wanted to make Jane Seymour the Queen he just lopped Anne's head off.

21 posted on 07/19/2005 6:11:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Just when I think liberals can't get any more stupid, I'm wrong.)
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To: castlebrew

Yeah, he said "I do it because I am worried that the separation between church and state is under threat..." so I'll end that separation and there will be no threat then. See? I'm really helping religion, and the Mackrelsanppers will love the external pressure on the old men in Rome.


22 posted on 07/19/2005 6:11:44 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: Alouette

Yeah, the decapitation-with-a-sword thing is one sure sign that a relationship's going sour.


23 posted on 07/19/2005 6:14:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Aussie Dasher

paging Guy Fawkes, paging Guy Fawkes...


24 posted on 07/19/2005 6:18:49 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: Aussie Dasher
A key item would have to be a ban on claims of exclusivity. It should be unethical for any RRP to claim that theirs was the one true religion and believers in anything else or nothing were doomed to fire and brimstone.

I never understood why non-religious or other-religious folks get their undies in a bunch when someone tells them they are going to bathe in lava after they die.

I am religious (of no particular organized religion) but I could give two turds in a clenched fist if someone tells me I am going to hell. I never find any of these people to be worthy of being God's proxy here on Earth, so I don't bother caring... let alone tearing my hair out and trying to find a guv'ment solution for their condemnation.

APf

25 posted on 07/19/2005 6:21:15 PM PDT by APFel (This space for sale or rent)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Oh, that's a great idea! Instead of Catholics I think that Mr. Ferguson should start with the islamists. March in to their mosques in boots covered in pig poop and tell them how it's going to be.


26 posted on 07/19/2005 6:38:44 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Aussie Dasher; Lil'freeper

So...once again...how many divisions does the Pope have? (to steal a line from Joseph Stalin)?


27 posted on 07/19/2005 6:47:40 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: somniferum
"We can laugh at this whackjob now, but who knows in the next 10-20 years."

Yep, five years ago gay marriage was laughable, 20 years ago it was unthinkable. Now, if you're against it, you're considered a monster. Things can change real fast, and I've learned not to rule out anything, no matter how ridiculous or improbable it seems. This is because when "progressivism" is your moral philosophy, you have no criteria for where to stop. Everything just gets more and more extreme.
28 posted on 07/19/2005 6:54:19 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Now what is the point of proposing this? I do it because I am worried that the separation between church and state is under threat."

The frightening thing is that this weirdo doesn't see the absolute irony of what he is saying. His words are the biggest threat to separation of church and state that I've ever heard in North America..
29 posted on 07/19/2005 6:57:33 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Alter Kaker
"Dishonest headline. It isn't "Canadian National Public Radio" it's "Canadian Public Radio" --- the clear intent is to suggest that NPR holds this position, which it doesn't."

I think you're reading too much into the headline. After all, it does say "Canadian." "National" just lets us know that this wasn't broadcast on some local public station.
30 posted on 07/19/2005 7:00:57 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Aussie Dasher
"For example, engineers must have an engineering degree from a recognized university or pass qualification exams. They must have a number of years of practical experience and pass an ethics exam. The different branches: mechanical, electrical, civil and the like have a code of practice that applies to everyone. Why can't religious groups do the same?"

Has this guy ever heard of seminaries and Bible colleges? Virtually ever major denomination requires fairly rigorous formal training. Yes, there are small cultish groups where anyone can preach, but that's basically covered by freedom of speech. Will we also require a degree for anyone who wants to start a political or social group?
31 posted on 07/19/2005 7:06:34 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Army Air Corps

Dean: Socialist victory equals win for Dems

http://www.restoringamerica.org/documents/socialists_in_congress.html

Democratic Socialists of America's Progressive Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives

Taken verbatim from the Internet web site of the Democratic Socialists of America

"The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International (also in Francais and Espanol). DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics...

 

What is Democratic Socialism?

Question: Aren’t you a party that’s in competition with the

Democratic Party for votes and support?

No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements to strengthen the party’s leftwing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

 


32 posted on 07/19/2005 7:19:18 PM PDT by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: somniferum
Will they be jailing all the people practicing non state-approved religion?

Only Canadians can come up with such totalitarian nightmares. Margaret Atwood, author of "the Handmaids Tale" came up with a preposterous, unintelligible plot line based on the Canadian extremist notions concerning the future evolution of Christianity in America. How can Canada have so many people willing to present such unrealistic views of human nature?

Maybe its the water.

33 posted on 07/19/2005 7:33:51 PM PDT by Podkayne (Hear no evil, See no evil, speak no evil begets more evil)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Canadian liberals next step is to remake religion in their image... PC friendly.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
34 posted on 07/19/2005 7:37:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Aussie Dasher; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

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35 posted on 07/19/2005 7:41:04 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Control of religion is control of one's thoughts, one's prayers. I don't see it happenning even in Canada, but when it does, then they will have passed over into the realm of totalitarianism.


36 posted on 07/19/2005 7:46:23 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I hope the good religious people in Canada declare a jihad on the government. While our Bill of Rights in the US is rapidly being diluted...it at least offers some protection from this type of facism being seriously considered in the US.
37 posted on 07/19/2005 7:50:11 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Aussie Dasher
Thank god I'm American!
38 posted on 07/19/2005 7:50:40 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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Can't religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?"

Yes. It's called the natural law. And sodomy is, ahem, unnatural.

39 posted on 07/19/2005 7:57:23 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aussie Dasher; Salvation

State controlled, licensed and regulated religion...Hmmm, sounds like O Canada is going the way of failed Communism.


40 posted on 07/19/2005 8:04:21 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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"We could also help the general cause of religious freedom by introducing a code of moral practice for religions," he said. "They will never achieve unity so why not try for compatibility? Can't religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?"

I am stuned wordless.

41 posted on 07/19/2005 8:06:45 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: eyespysomething
"Of course the Vatican wouldn't like the changes, but they would come to accept them in time as a fact of life in Canada. Indeed I suspect many clergy would welcome the external pressure."

I am likewise stuned, but if the truth were told isn't this what the ACLU et al. have been praying (no, not a good choice of words ...) suing for all these years?

42 posted on 07/19/2005 8:12:50 PM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: Aussie Dasher

please tell me this is satire - it sure sounds nutty enough to be a joke.


43 posted on 07/19/2005 8:14:30 PM PDT by sassbox
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To: Aussie Dasher

Canada - state sponsored religion.

Nothing to see here. Move along, comrade.


44 posted on 07/19/2005 8:15:32 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Marked for later. The guys at Friday Morning Prayer Breakfast aren't gonna believe this crap.


45 posted on 07/19/2005 8:19:25 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: SittinYonder

I can't wait for them to tell the Muslims how they need to adjust their religion, and that they will appreciate the external pressure soon enough.


46 posted on 07/19/2005 8:23:25 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: Alouette
Henry VIII tried it when he wanted to make Anne Boleyn the Queen after he boinked her. Then when he wanted to make Jane Seymour the Queen he just lopped Anne's head off.

Another example of how sin makes you stupid! :-)

47 posted on 07/19/2005 8:29:11 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The rat professor is advocating lukewarm Christianity that will be spewed out, if I remember my scripture correctly. (Something about the Laodician church in the latter days comes to mind).


48 posted on 07/19/2005 8:32:14 PM PDT by Mogollon
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later incredibly bad pingout.


49 posted on 07/19/2005 8:33:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Sounds exactly like the novels Michael C. O'Brien writes, specifically:

1) Strangers and Sojourners
2) Plague Journal
3) Eclipse of the Sun

50 posted on 07/19/2005 8:37:26 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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