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NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
The Village Voice ^ | July 21st, 200 | by Chisun Lee

Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn


Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave

Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.

Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baaaaa; libertarianfools; nonprofiling; nothintohidehere; nyc; nypd; sheeple; stupidliberals; tshirt; villagevoiceisarag; wot
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To: TAquinas
Yep.

I haven't visited the Rockford Institute since 1998, when I was a grad student at U of Chicago. I used to be a Paleocon, then I grew up.

561 posted on 07/22/2005 4:51:58 PM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: JeffAtlanta

then any type of law enforcement, taken as an attempt to prevent an act from occuring, rather then investigate it after it has occurred, violates the constitution.

do I have a constitutional right to fly on a plane anonymously? why are they asking for ID and examining the lists of passenger names? the searching of trucks entering NYC tunnels - that violates the 4th amendment too, so we must do away with that I guess.

what can we do domestically to provide some deterrent? between the left and the libertarians, we might as well just surrender domestically.


562 posted on 07/22/2005 4:57:53 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Stu Cohen
Everyone is free to consent or not consent. They may check the bag without your consent, but not granting your consent is not defiance. It is doing what you think is right. And we should all do what we think is right. And not abiding by a law that violates the Bill of Rights is actually an OBLIGATION that all patriotic Americans have. Yes, I realize that it is impractical, and "not the way things work" ... but it's presicely our passivity to the deterioration of the Consitution that has gotten us to this point. Now since we've made 4/5th of the journey to totalitarianism people just say "we might as well go the rest of the way", but I don't begrudge the small number of people who try to preserve what the military is fighting for. Freedom.

Excellent Post! This has been an excellent thread.

563 posted on 07/22/2005 5:01:30 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: oceanview

"I was just using that as an analogy - suppose we had no immigration issue with mexico - no one was coming here from mexico. then what would border security be for?"

What do you mean by "no immigration issue with mexico?"

But anyway, this is not the case - we do have immigration issues with Mexico and the rest of the third world who's allowed to pour their unwanted, undesirable elements into our country. Legal immigration is a bigger issue than illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is a short-term problem, hopefully, while legal immigration is a critical long-term, state-sanctioned issue. Illegal immigrants shoul be deported to their respective countries and should not have been allowed to enter through our lax borders. Legal immigration laws must be changed to what they were prior to the paasge of the '65 Immigration Act.


564 posted on 07/22/2005 5:03:54 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: TAquinas

"Diversity is tyranny. "

No....

Diversity is perversity. ;)


565 posted on 07/22/2005 5:06:38 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: TAquinas

I said SUPPOSE. Suppose the purpose of border security with mexico had nothing to do with illegal immigration - suppose Mexico was an economic shangri-la and no one was crossing into the US. what then would be the purpose of border security with Mexico? national security. so if we apply the same "odds maker" theory, we wouldn't need any of it, since the chances of catching a terrorist crossing is small.


566 posted on 07/22/2005 5:09:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Clemenza

I was going to ask you what you wanted to be when you grew up. Lol!

You seem to have had your growing up process reversed. It usually goes from theory (infancy) to law (adult). You seem to have gone from law to infancy. Am not saying you're an infant. I'm only using terms that come to my deranged mind as I type here.

Be good and don't ever change (except on immigration issues and ideology, of course). And, when are you going to change that name to a masculine gender? You're a man, right?


567 posted on 07/22/2005 5:10:38 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: BigFinn

Search 125 Broad Street, 18th floor. NYC. Chances are good there will be anti US/pro Islamic terrorism info tucked away somewhere.


568 posted on 07/22/2005 5:11:23 PM PDT by Cougar66 (The biggest trick the liberal media ever played was convincing the world it didn't exist)
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To: TAquinas

I am named after the GREATEST cinematic Capo of all time, one Peter Clemenza. You want to "go the mattress with me?" Oh, "Leave the gun, take the cannoli."


569 posted on 07/22/2005 5:13:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

"Diversity is perversity. ;)"

OK. About combining the two slogans to: "Diversity is forced perversity"?


570 posted on 07/22/2005 5:14:02 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

"The war on drugs has already eroded most of our freedoms"?

Most of 'em? I'm looking around trying to find the ones I lost - Damnee, can't find one! - Yer teasing me, yer gotta be a doper! right? come on now, tell the truth! You sneeky you!


571 posted on 07/22/2005 5:17:15 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: oceanview

Your supposition is irrelevant if them Mexicans are still allowed to migrate to the States legally. To habeus corpus OR not to habeus corpus. That is the question.

Hey, a little Latin doesn't hurt. I think I used the expression correctly, didn't I? ;)


572 posted on 07/22/2005 5:18:28 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: Clemenza

Ok. Thought you were using Clemenza as a first name.

Maranzano is my mentor and consanquine (sp?). Related to Bonanno, Provenzano and Di Benedetto.

Clemenza must have been on the other camp of the Castellamarese War, 'cause the name doesnt ring a ny bells.

Are you sure you spelled them cannolli correctly?


573 posted on 07/22/2005 5:24:18 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: Clemenza

Disregard my prior post. Just noticed the "cinematic".

You were talking fantasy land, while I was pouring my guts out.


574 posted on 07/22/2005 5:26:26 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: zeugma
They are truely varelse.

Boy, that one sent me Googling.

We're going to eventually have to kill every freaking one of them if we're going to survive.

I disagree.

I believe the Islamists in general can be quarantined, and we (could have?) can annihilate the core group of Jihadists in such a manner as to discourage future problems from these varelse.

But, of course, the ill conceived Bush "hearts and minds" Iraq campaign is counter productive and has set us back years, tears, and fortune.

575 posted on 07/22/2005 5:28:51 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: kellynla
while thousands of my Marine Corps brothers & sisters are putting their asses on the line to fight for YOUR FREEDOM, the least you can do while you're sitting safely behind your computers is support the cause and if that means extra security at bus terminals and subways and an extra inconvenience to passengers; THEN SMILE & DEAL WITH IT!

And all so tragically unnecessary had Bush and his minions been focused on OUR national security and not retreated from Pakistan!

576 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:50 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: American_Centurion
I'd be ecstatic if someone could provide me with a more precise word.

Class.

577 posted on 07/22/2005 5:39:59 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: iconoclast
future problems from these varelse.

I hope it's a pejorative. What does it mean?

578 posted on 07/22/2005 5:41:53 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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To: Clemenza
I haven't visited the Rockford Institute since 1998, when I was a grad student at U of Chicago. I used to be a Paleocon, then I grew up.

No one that went to grad school in 1998 is a grownup. ;-)

579 posted on 07/22/2005 5:46:59 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: TAquinas
future problems from these varelse.

I hope it's a pejorative. What does it mean?

You should be asking zeugma!

I didn't memorize the definition, but yeah I'd say it's pejorative. Something akin to outer space aliens.

580 posted on 07/22/2005 5:59:15 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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