The Fighting Scots-Irish

Reason ^ | July 2005 | Charles Oliver

[WhiteGuy]

Scots-Irish - Wants a beer, as long as someone else is paying.......HA

[GOP_1900AD]

Urban Libertarians of the Justin Raimondo strain....They can't deal with guns and God.

[Born Conservative]

The spirit of the people who tarred and feathered tax collectors during the Whiskey Rebellion lives on

My Irish grandfather proudly carried on the tradition during Prohibition by mixing juniper with homemade grain alcohol to make gin. He wasn't Scots Irish that we know of, but his wife was...

[RegulatorCountry]

"The spirit of the people who tarred and feathered tax collectors during the Whiskey Rebellion lives on"

You should delve further into the life of Herman Husband, whose hand was in more than one tax revolt.

[GOP_1900AD]

The fagademics of Edinburgh are less Scotish than we Americans. The POV in that screed demonstrates it.

[archy]

I've known a couple of former meth users. They say it is the worst drug going. Period. Far worse than booze, cocaine or heroin.

You familiar with a synthetic ecstasy substitute known as 2C-T-7 [aka *blue mystic,* *T-7,* *7-up* and *Tripstacy?*

Being dead two hours after ingestion is worse than most methhead cases of which I'm aware. But they're no picnic, either.

[archy]

Confederacy leader General Robert E. Lee was once asked: "What race of people do you believe makes the best soldiers?" He replied: "The Scots who came to this country by way of Ireland".

Presumably including General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne:

The most popular Confederate division commander was the "Stonewall of the West"-Patrick R. Cleburne. Appropriately, the native of County Cork was born on St. Patrick's Day and became the only product of the Emerald Isle to become a Confederate major general. Failing the language requirements for a druggist's degree, he served with the British 4lst Regiment of Foot as an officer for a number of years before purchasing his way out.

Emigrating to America, he became a druggist and then a highly successful property attorney. He joined the Confederacy, and his military assignments included: captain, Company F, lst Arkansas State Troops (early 1861); colonel, lst Arkansas State Troops (early 1861); colonel, 15th Arkansas (designation change July 23, 1861); commanding 2nd Brigade, lst (Hardee's) Division, Army of Central Kentucky, Department #2 (fall 1861 - March 29, 1862); commanding 2nd Brigade, Hardee's Division, Army of the Mississippi July 2 - August 15, 1862); commanding 2nd Brigade, Buckner's Division, Left Wing, Army of the Mississippi (August 15-30, October - October 8, and October - November 20, 1862); commanding 2nd Brigade, Buckner's Division, Hardee's-Breckinridge's Corps, Army of Tennessee (November 20 - December 1862); major general, CSA (December 20, 1862 to rank from the 13th); commanding the division (December 1862 - November 30, 1863); commanding division, Hardee's (Polk's old)- Cheatham's Corps, Army of Tennessee (November 30, 1863 - January 1864, January-August 3 1, and September 2 - November 30, 1864); and commanding the corps (August 31 - September 2, 1864).

At the head of the Yell Rifles, he served in Arkansas before being named as commander of the state unit. Transferred with William J. Hardee to central Kentucky, he was promoted to brigadier general and fought at Shiloh and during the siege of Corinth. Taking part in the Kentucky Campaign, he was wounded at both Richmond and Perryville. Promoted to major general, he commanded a division at Murfreesboro, during the Tullahoma Campaign, and at Chickamauga. A favorite of Jefferson Davis, he is credited with covering the retreat from Chattanooga after his splendid defense of Tunnel Hill.

That winter he proposed that in order to reinforce the Confederate armies slavery would have to be abolished in a "reasonable time" and blacks be recruited for military service on the promise of their freedom. The proposal was rejected by the Richmond authorities and would not be passed by the Confederate Congress until a couple of months after Cleburne's death. Cleburne went on to command his division, and briefly the corps, through the Atlanta Campaign and then with Hood into middle Tennessee.

At the battle of Franklin on November 20, 1864 he became the senior of six Confederate generals to die in this fight, which did little more than commit mass suicide against the Union works. His death was a calamity to the Confederate cause perhaps only exceeded by the death of Stonewall Jackson. First buried near Franklin, Cleburne's remains were later removed to Helena, Arkansas.(Purdue, Howell and Elizabeth, Pat Cleburne, Confederate General)

[neverdem]

I've known a couple of former meth users. They say it is the worst drug going. Period. Far worse than booze, cocaine or heroin.

I knew a couple in Vietnam. Others used it, but didn't go crazy. It's can be bad news, but you also hear the same stuff about crack cocaine. Do you recall the friendly fire incident in Afghanistan in which our aviators bombed Canadians by accident? Their defense, which was insufficient, was they had taken dexamphetamine which was issued to them because of their extremely long range missions.

Both of those chemicals and their variants engage the pathways of the nervous system that use the same neurotransmitter, dopamine, just like morphine, marijuana, ethyl alcohol and nicotine.

[LauraleeBraswell]

""“This Jackson,” historian Amy H. Sturgis has written in Reason (see “Not The Same Old Hickory,” May 2004), “was a man who exemplified characteristics later associated with other national leaders: Before Abraham Lincoln, he represented selective adherence to the Constitution;""


Not! The "Trail of tears!". Madison had written a clause to protect the lands of native Americans. Jackson basically disregarded the constitution and kicked them off their land.

[Clemenza]

Also know as "Orangemen" to my Paddy-whacker freinds (no offense Neverdem). ;-)

[Alkhin]

any Fergusons in this bunch?

[Travis McGee]

The author is one "Charles Oliver."

Sounds like a French fairy.

Probably got is ass whipped by rednecks a few times, and has a grudge.

[Clemenza]

You realize that folks frequently went blind from bathtub gin.

However, in the words of Scots-Irish American Hoyt Axton, "GOD DAMN, THE PUSHER!"

[Clemenza]

Alcohol does to your liver what meth does to your face, so people don't see the ill effects of the former on a superficial basis.

[investigateworld]

Actually, the strong Christian belief of "Ye reap what ye sow" makes meth cooking a no-no for that culture.
What Webb left out was the Huguenot influence as the Refugees fled persecution on the Continent and went to Scotland and Northern Ireland.
But moon shining is an honorable profession to this day in Ireland and certain regions of the Southern USA.

[El Gato]

Gotta love this kind of slime. Gee, I never knew that the Scots-Irish were behind the meth craze. Guess I need to pay more attention.

Yeh you do. Remember, the author, Webb, is Scots-Irish himself. He's just saying there are pluses and minuses to the culture, just as with many others. I suspect he feels the pluses far outweigh the minuses.

[marsh2]

Have Ulster-Scots-Irish (Antrim) on father's side. They were linen weavers and came over in the mid-1800s. Mother's English side came from Shepton Mallet in the early 1600s for religious freedom and the Scots portion came later in the 1800s. The English side were also weavers.

I have a very strong independent, individualistic streak in my politics. Culturally, it doesn't look like I had a chance to be otherwise.

[bitt]

thank you! S-I BUMP!

[Graymatter]

"Scots-Irish grows tamer each day...more and more like other Americans. Or maybe other Americans are becoming more like them." Wonder what this is suppose to mean?

I dunno! Let's beat the crap out of him and find out! ;)

[ßuddaßudd]

bump for ancestral reading later. . .