Posted on 07/23/2005 1:32:06 PM PDT by areafiftyone
A man shot dead by police in London was not connected to Thursday's attacks and may have been Brazilian. More Soon...
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.
The man - thought to be Brazilian - died at Stockwell Tube in an incident Scotland Yard described as a "tragedy".
Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.
A suspect package found on Saturday in north-west London may be linked to Thursday's attacks, police believe.
The package was found by a member of the public in bushes in Little Wormwood Scrubs on Saturday morning.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Explosives officers attended the scene. An initial examination suggests that the object may be linked to devices found at four locations in London on July 21."
Police said it would be subject to "detailed forensic analysis".
Police have also raided a house in Streatham Hill, south London, in connection with the failed attacks.
'Horrendous consequences'
Brazilian diplomats in London said they had been told by police that the man who was shot dead by police on Friday was a Brazilian.
An earlier Scotland Yard statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.
"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.
"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
The statement confirmed the man had been followed by police from a house in Tulse Hill that was under surveillance.
His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
John O'Connor, former commander of the Met Police, told the BBC the consequences of the shooting were likely to be "quite horrendous".
He said he expected officers to face criminal charges, and other officers could even refuse to carry weapons.
But Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, said it was too early to judge what the effects would be.
She called for a "prompt, comprehensive and independent investigation".
Arrests
Police announced on Saturday evening they have raided another property in south London.
Residents of the street in Streatham Hill, near Brixton, told how armed police ordered them to stay in their homes while they cordoned off the area.
There do not appear to have been any arrests.
Police arrested one man after a raid on a block of flats in Stockwell
Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.
The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.
Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.
The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.
Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.
Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.
Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.
Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.
The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.
They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.
The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.
Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening
?...The British police got the right man at the wrong time?
Turns out this guy they shot was the wrong guy and innocent. But the guy they arrested was the right one. Confusing.
/OFF.....MS-13
Damn! I thought all the Brazilians were here in Massachusetts.
No, I think it was the wrong man at the right time.
Why the heck was this guy fleeing the police in the way that he did? there is still something very fishy about this Brazilian story?
Oh, my God! I know! He was the "BRAZILIAN RUNAWAY GROOM!"
27yo Brazilian National going to work as an electrician, according to Fox News right now.
Cops will be more cautious. Becoming even more PC will be the outcome.
Nah, there's tons of them at Disney World.
Confusing.....'operation'.....sounds 'normal' to me!
it's called. 'Black on Black!~'
Well maybe he was an illegal alien and didn't want to get caught and deported. Just a guess.
More details are supposed to come out. But if they notified the Brazilian government and offered and apology and are having an investigation - this does not look good for them.
He's still a "Darwin Award" candidate for running from the cops.
I'm going to look for more info from another site since this is the BBC and they are the PC site.
Apparently in thirdworldland you're taught to run from cops, and not obey orders to halt. A case where cultural "diversity" is deadly.
If either of these things happens, then that will be the no-turning-back point for Britain. You might as well just put giant "BOMB US PLEASE!" signs at every entrance to the country.
The only lesson to be learned here is "Don't run away as fast as you can when the police tell you to stop."
...stay outta Dallas stuff?
He was a Brazilian?!! I guess there are someday's you just wished you stayed home!
The man shot dead by undercover police at Stockwell Tube station was not connected to the investigation into the attempted terror attacks.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
The fatal shooting happened when armed officers shot a man, Joao Alves Menezes, as he tried to board a train at the underground station.
He had emerged from a nearby house that was under surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bomb attacks on three Tube trains and a bus.
The man, whose name has not yet been released, was then followed by surveillance officers.
He is thought to have caught a bus to Stockwell Tube station where he was challenged by officers, who told him to stop.
The man, who is believed to be from Brazil, then bolted down an escalator, according to witnesses.
He apparently tried to get on a train before he was, according to witnesses, shot five times in the head by an officer with an automatic pistol. mo< Earlier Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the dead man was "directly linked" to anti-terror operations.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating Friday's fatal shooting.
Yes see my post below. His name is in the Sky News post.
(Perhaps I should say "Over there in the bin"?)
What's Portuguese for "collateral damage?"
How would I feel?
I would feel like STOPPING! Thus, showing the police know I wasn't hiding anything. Duh!
"Keep shooting until you get the right one, boys."
Yeah, we ought to be shooting any innocent bystander with brown skin. Give me a break!
Maybe he had been. That would explain the heavy coat.
definately,.....'B on B'.....stuff,,,,
Apparently they shot him when he tripped and fell and was on the ground. Maybe they thought when he tried to get up he was going to set off his explosives (which he apparently didn't have).
"The police identified themselves I believe. If he was an illegal alien, so sorry."
Before you condone murder, maybe you should wait until the facts are revealed.
I'm all for a tough approach to terrorism, but the comments on this thread are unbelievable.
What are you twelve and in macho fantasyland?
Police officers don't excute people for running.
"Pakistani or Brazilians, same damn thing. kill first ask questions later"
Are you trying to give a bad name to all conservatives?
How did HE know they were cops if:
1) they were in plain clothes
2) They were shouting at him in a language he may not have understood. He probably thought a band of thieves was after him.
3)Regarding the coat--it's winter in Brazil, is it not?
My heart fairly bleeds.
Police officers don't excute people for running.
......'bingo'...
Unless the headlines read: "Deaf Brasilian...", I am unmoved.
They are a capable and intelligent people. They can listen to commands and stop running as well as anyone.
My verdict: "Suicide by cop".
I agree. I think he might have been illegal and maybe not sure when they started yelling at him and he ran.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm
Last Updated: Saturday, 23 July, 2005, 20:31 GMT 21:31 UK
"Shot man not connected to bombing"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Brazilian diplomats in London said they had been told by police that the man who was shot dead by police on Friday was a Brazilian.
An earlier Scotland Yard statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.
"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.
"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
The statement confirmed the man had been followed by police from a house in Tulse Hill that was under surveillance."
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163449,00.html
"Man Killed by Police Had No Connection to London Attacks"
Saturday, July 23, 2005
AP
ARTICLE SNIPPET: ""For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," a police spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity.
The man, whose identity has not been released, was shot Friday at a subway station in the south London neighborhood of Stockwell (search). Witnesses said the man appeared to be South Asian and was wearing a heavy padded coat when police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him in the head and torso.
A spokesman for Scotland Yard (search) said on customary condition of anonymity that the man was unconnected to the incidents of Thursday, in which bombs placed on three subway cars and a double-decker bus failed to detonate properly.
The spokesman also said the man was "probably unconnected" to the July 7 subway and bus bombings that killed 56 people, including four attackers.
However, Scotland Yard would not rule out that the man was not connected to any terrorist actions."
"Unless the headlines read: "Deaf Brasilian...", I am unmoved. They are a capable and intelligent people. They can listen to commands and stop running as well as anyone."
If they were uniformed police that clearly identified themselves, then I have less sympathy. But I don't think that the press accounts have established this to be true. Until then, I wish many would stop laughing at this very sad death.
...it's the responsibility of somebody who wishes to remain alive that he apprise himself of the circumstances in his immediate vicinity that might make his wish difficult to fulfill. If the man was a Brazilian who didn't speak English and wasn't aware of the news and wasn't able to recognize British policeman and didn't know better than to run when being ordered to stop on the day after terrorist attacks, then his death was very much his own fault. To suppose otherwise is to suppose that it's the responsibility of everybody else to insure the continued existence of the terminally stupid.
He might have been an electrician, but he certainly wasn't the brightest bulb on the block. It's not like he didn't know there had been terrorist attacks on the subways and that the police would be watching that area. So why in God's name did he pick the subway to flee into? And then to jump the turnstile? Totally stupid! I'm sure the police pursing him identified themselves as police more than once. Wouldn't he have been required to speak some English in order to have gotten a job as an electrician in an English-speaking city?
What's your point?
Sigh. If the guy is Brazilian & ONLY speaks the Portuguese language, how would he know if the plain clothes band o' merry men chasing him weren't thieves? The police would have to shout in 5-10 languages to hit on Portuguese.
No doubt. Even if he didn't understand the language, a cop hollering at him should have prompted him to stop, not run for the subway and jump a turnstile.
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