Posted on 07/23/2005 1:32:06 PM PDT by areafiftyone
A man shot dead by police in London was not connected to Thursday's attacks and may have been Brazilian. More Soon...
......plausible denial abounds......
...if only there had been no train,...or if it had only been 'blown-up'....earlier that day.....
.....cover, cover, cover,....talk, talk, talk,.....rushtojudgement....cover...
How about a visa problem?
"not run for the subway and jump a turnstile."
Away from zone 1 stations (those better staffed in the very centre of London), at stations like Stockwell I would estimate maybe 5% of young men jump turnstiles. The tube is not cheap.
(Incidentally, jumping the turnstile to avoid paying is very different to jumping the turnstile to get away from police. I don't have the facts about whether he had sussed they were police before he jumped the turnstile. I suspect no-one on FR does.)
Question: Did he jump a turnstile or did he jump a barrier? I read he jumped a barrier that was set up.
Are you a Muslim? The man was killed by police in the line of duty. They thought and had every reason to think they were dealing with a terrorist about to detonate a bomb on a tube train. Turns out it was a tragic mistake. Blame the murdering terrorists for creating the situation, not the police. That goes to all the other DU trolls and Muslims posting on this thread.
Wrong for all of us. I've just been trying to think throught the implications of this.
1) UK police more reluctant to use deadly force when needed.
2) Tony Blair is already under huge stress with 2/3 of the population blaming him to some degree for the attacks due to Iraq (ICM poll last week) he presumably signed the shoot to kill order and knowing him, he will be frantic to avoid taking responsibility for anything to do with this mess.
3) The muslim community in the UK, who were making great strides towards condeming the suicide bombers and standing together as Britons now get the idea that you can be grabbed and shot repeatedly in the face for being brown and suspicious.
I'm just saying this story stinks to high heaven. He's wearing a coat, They suspect him of being a suicide bomber. They tell him to stop but he keeps running. Something ain't right. I'll side with the cops on this one.
Yeah, that's my point, having spent some time in the tropics. The guy likely acquired the coat in England. So that leaves us with the following:
Cold, jacketed out of season, probably medium-skinned, electrician, may have been carrying tools of the trade, hanging around a suspicious crowd, makes a run for the train under surveilance, fails to buy a ticket and jumps a turnstile, trips (possibly on his own wires), commits suicide by not raising his hands when ordered to stop. Unless he arrived in England within the previous few hours he had to know transit was being checked so he pretty much "named his own poison".
Remember that the most recent bombs were defective---would it surprise anyone to find out the dirtbagz hired an ELECTRICIAN to help them get it right???
I'd say in this instance, incompetance is a two way street.
I agree. The suprising thing to me is the PC and anti-police attitudes displayed by many on this thread. I almost thought I was on DU for a second.
This is what I have read in the media:
He was wearing a coat in the summer and was headed toward the subway.
He was shouted at many times to stop and didn't.
He continued running toward the tube and jumped a turnstile.
He resembled a wanted person in the bombings.
This a question that I have.
What would the terrorists not send an unarmed person toward the subway to provoke this response?
They can do more damage to the police by having them kill or rough up an "innocent" person.
Well, one thing is for sure, in today's terrorist 'climate' if you look suspicious and you run, bang, bang, 'you be daid boy'. A solid message to all the would-be terrorists in my not so humble opinion.
Competence is precisely the issue here. The tactics are fair enough. The issue is their rather sloppy threat assesment.
"a cop hollering at him should have prompted him to stop, not run for the subway and jump a turnstile."
A plain-clothes cop? I.E. He didn't know the guy was a cop.
I sure would!
If I knew they were police. But they were in plain clothes, with guns in their hands.
He was stopped. They killed him anyway.
Why?
Lol....the Brits have become a bunch of panty-waists. I guess the only time they see firearms is when some raghead illegal immigrant shoves one in their face during a robbery. I'd wager that within 30 years England will be an Islamic state.
Sadly, I have to agree. If he had been a bomber, and the cops kept telling him to stop and he didn't, and set off a bomb. They would all be singing a different tune. I can just hear them, "They should have killed him, he was running from them and wearing a coat." Blah blah, blah.
They just rearrange their words and they're arguing both sides of the argument.
"The suprising thing to me is the PC and anti-police attitudes displayed by many on this thread."
That, and the willingness of so many people here to stop for plain-clothes men chasing you with guns who you have no idea are cops.
....it' called training,......ie. 'obeying orders'....he was a ,...'soldier'....
naw,....
It's a ,....'Clockwork Muslim'.....
Oh is that what we are? I have to get out my Koran then and turn towards Mecca LOL
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.