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(CA) Assembly Bill 352 : Fingerprinting for Handguns
Canyon News ^ | Jul 24, 2005 | Michelle Lanz

Posted on 07/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by holymoly

The anonymity of ammunition is being fought with the proposal of Assembly Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases to the handguns from which they were fired.

This new technology would stamp a serial number on to every bullet fired from a particular gun. That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

In a recent press release introducing the legislation, Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) stated, “I believe that microstamping will put California in the forefront in crime solving technology. I can not imagine anyone who could be opposed to this cutting edge technology.”

However, there are those who do oppose the bill, including ammunition manufacturers who say outfitting their factories with coding equipment to mark each of the 8 billion rounds produced a year would drive up cost and force them out of business. Also, some argue that the new codes will do more harm than good if the ammunition and handguns are stolen.

“What will happen is a crime will be committed with a stolen gun and bullets and the police will trace it to an innocent person,” says handgun enthusiast and NRA member Pete Fosworth, “And what about all the guns already on the streets? I just don’t see how it would work.”

In general law enforcement officials support this measure, saying that the tiny etched numbers would help them track down criminals much more efficiently than in previous years.

“This new bill would not only allow police to find out who bought the bullets, but also which gun they were fired from,” says retired LAPD police officer Larry Calhoun, “It would narrow down suspects and help prevent police from blaming the wrong person. Overall it is a good idea.”

The bill, sponsored by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, has already passed the Assembly and one Senate panel and is up for further review in August.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 352; ab352; ammunition; banglist; blackmarket; bulletblackmarket; ca; california; fanatasy; fantasies; handgun; microstamp; serial; stamp
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To: Condor51

It's not the companies it's the dumacrapic state of MA that won't allow the shipping of ammo. They passed a knee jerk reaction law about 3 or 4 years ago. They said it was to keep ammo from getting into the hands of minors. The libs favorite excuse ..."save the children."


41 posted on 07/24/2005 9:20:42 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (NUGENT and me IN '08)
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To: Condor51
Actually, if you define the term semiauto in terms of the mechanism rather than the feeding cycle. When it's semiauto versus full auto then the revolver fits, too. As in one pull of the trigger results in one shot instead of one pull results in MANY shots (ie full auto).
42 posted on 07/24/2005 9:30:19 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: WillMalven
"It becomes incumbent on all true patriots to defend the Second Amendment."

Yes. Please list what you have done to defend the Second Amendment. Or are you just blowing smoke and talking the talk?
43 posted on 07/24/2005 11:19:22 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Bear_Slayer
"Any fair machinist good fashion forged cases."

Did you mean "could" rather than "good"? Either way, the finest machinist on earth can not forge the microscopic details that are used in the "finger printing" system.

44 posted on 07/24/2005 11:25:48 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

I write and publish editorials defending all of the amendments, am an active member of the NRA, and buy guns on a regular basis. I also write my and other congress members.

What do you do?


45 posted on 07/24/2005 5:39:47 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Buffalo Head
the finest machinist on earth can not forge the microscopic details that are used in the "finger printing" system.

If you are referring to ballistic forensics, then I agree with you, but this is not what is being discussed and certainly not what I was speaking about. This has to do with stamped shell casings

I'm an amateur machinist and I can easily comprehend a mechanism for creating/forging stamped cases. It is a technology that could easily be done on existing weapons.

46 posted on 07/24/2005 8:41:33 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: Buffalo Head

I guess your the one blowing smoke. Huh well imagine that.


47 posted on 07/24/2005 8:58:50 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: WillMalven
"What do you do?"

Everything that you claim, in addition to serving our country in combat against communist forces and drafting a good portion of the bill that redefined "Antique Guns and Ignition Systems" in a revision to the GCA1968 several years ago.

48 posted on 07/24/2005 9:39:23 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Bear_Slayer
"This has to do with stamped shell casings."

No, it does not. It has to do with laser etching serial numbers on bullets. The 'finger printing' of shellcases is an entirely different matter. No gunsmith can duplicate or 'forge' either.

Please be accurate with your postings.

49 posted on 07/24/2005 9:44:01 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: WillMalven
"I guess your the one blowing smoke."

There has been too much uniformed guessing on this thread. There is an unwritten obligation to post either facts or opinions on this forum. Your opinion has absolutely no merit.

50 posted on 07/24/2005 9:48:53 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Fee
If the tobacco industry had boycott selling cigarettes in states participating in lawsuits, the sales tax revenue from cigarettes would drop to zero.

I wished they would have done that instead of caving in the Attorney Generals.

51 posted on 07/24/2005 9:50:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Bear_Slayer
Bullets are to cartridges as flour is to bread or cement is to concrete. Shellcases are to cartridges as....

Please report back.

52 posted on 07/24/2005 9:56:36 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head
There has been too much uniformed guessing on this thread.

You're a good one to talk.

When I jested about purchasing stock in Dremel, you somehow, inexplicably twisted it into advocating the commission of a crime.

Why don't you take your vitriol and spew it on people who deserve it, like the liberals over at D.U.?

53 posted on 07/25/2005 5:10:45 AM PDT by holymoly (Yea, whatever.)
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To: holymoly

so would this law go the way of the AP ban, where if one example exists of a handgun calibre, all calibres are also restricted?
this would eventually mean everything except shotgun shells would end up being registered.
also, any idea how this would work for the rat-shot type
cartridges?


54 posted on 07/25/2005 5:56:57 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: holymoly
"When I jested...."

Jesting about serious subjects in airports will get you a trip to jail, regardless of your original destination and intentions. The place for humor is somewhere else.

55 posted on 07/25/2005 7:53:57 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head
Jesting about serious subjects in airports will get you a trip to jail, regardless of your original destination and intentions.

But I didn't make my comment while at an airport, did I? I posted it to Free Republic.

How you make the illogical leap from posting at F.R. to making comments at airports is beyond me.

The place for humor is somewhere else.

When Jim Robinson or the Admin Moderator tell me to cease and desist making any posts in jest, or which contain humor (or attempts at such), I shall.

56 posted on 07/25/2005 12:07:57 PM PDT by holymoly (Yea, whatever.)
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To: holymoly
It is very unlikely that Jim Robinson or the Admin Moderator will provide help to improve the quality of your posts. They typically leave improvement up to the individual poster's abilities and desires.

In fairness, you haven't done serious harm to the purpose and image of Free Republic. But why waste words on a thread, forcing other folks to waste their time, plodding through nonsense, searching for serious and useful information?

57 posted on 07/25/2005 1:30:20 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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