Posted on 07/25/2005 10:03:04 PM PDT by Sam Hill
Ex-CIA Accuse Bush of Manipulating Iraq Evidence
Monday, March 17, 2003
WASHINGTON — Invoking
the name of a Pentagon whistle-blower, a small group of retired, anti-war CIA officers are accusing the Bush administration of manipulating evidence against Iraq in order to push war while burying evidence that could show Iraq's compliance with U.N demands for disarmament.
The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war.
VIPS member Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran who gave intelligence briefings to top Reagan officials before retiring in 1990, said the administration has not made the case that Iraq has ties to Al Qaeda and is providing information that does not meet an intelligence professional's standard of proof.
"It's been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy," McGovern said. "That's why a lot of my former colleagues are holding their noses these days."
But the CIA said McGovern doesn't have any authority to speak of the quality of intelligence policy-makers are reviewing.
"He left the agency over a decade ago," spokesman Mark Mansfield said. "He's hardly in a position to comment knowledgeably on that subject."
VIPS say their appeals to CIA staff are an attempt to evoke another Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret study on U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
Leaking classified national defense information is illegal, and CIA officers, who take a secrecy oath when they join could lose their security clearances or jobs, and may even face prosecution...
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Copy of my testimony to be presented on Friday, 22 July 2005 before a joint session of Congressional Democrats. / CORRECTING THE RECORD ON VALERIE PLAME / Larry C. Johnson. You can now see a video of Johnson's testimony here.
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VIPS guy Greg Thielmann has a particular dislike for Bolton. Could be a connection there.
As for Johnson's article, he overdramatizes the whole undercover thing and danger to Val P., but he's basically accurate. It seems to annoy him a great deal when people question it or suggest Val wasn't undercover, so for that reason alone I'd say why not continue to question his or Val's undercover, super-secret work.
Yeah, I'd like to see that as well.
I believe Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson have also written articles for leftwing online rags criticizing Bolton.
Which proves what a good guy Bolton is.
May 25, 2005
BOLTON AND THE ART OF COOKING INTELLIGENCE
by Larry C. Johnson
The Counterterrorism Blog: BOLTON AND THE ART OF COOKING INTELLIGENCE
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/05/bolton_and_the_.html
I really wonder who is paying Johnson (and McGovern). I bet it is Soros.
Isn't Ray McGovern the same jerk that testified in Conyers' "Downing Street Memo" hearing?
So Johnson stuck in his two cents on Bolton? For a guy who hasn't worked for the CIA in 16 years, Johnson sure gets around.
Probably. VIPS is a small group that turns up every time someone wants to trash the Administration.
"Isn't Ray McGovern the same jerk that testified in Conyers' "Downing Street Memo" hearing?"
Both McGovern and Joe "Clown" Wilson the fourth. They were the real reason Conyers called his "hearing."
I taped it on C-SPAM.
For history.
For embarrassing Conyers and Clown Wilson every chance I get.
It's hardly Terror Inc. Bin Laden's network is more 'fan club' than GM
Kit R. Roane. U.S. News & World Report. Washington: Jun 11, 2001.Vol.130, Iss. 23; pg. 31(snip)
Before four of his foot soldiers went on trial for the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings, Osama bin Laden seemed as dangerous as Lucifer and as omnipresent as evil. But after they were found guilty last week of conspiring in the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the notion of a vast, cohesive terrorist organization seemed dramatically overblown. Bin Laden's bloody enterprise had left 224 dead and placed the Saudi millionaire's name at the top of the FBI's most wanted list. But evidence in the trial revealed that bin Laden isn't nearly as powerful as once perceived. Among the key revelations: that his organization, al Qaeda, is neither as well funded nor as well organized as many experts previously thought. Infighting and jealousy riddle its top ranks. In fact, low pay and low morale were complaints of some former members who became prosecution witnesses.
"What the evidence shows is that bin Laden has an international network of contacts, but that it's more analogous to the Elvis Presley Fan Club than a corporation like General Motors," says Larry Johnson, a former State Department counterterrorism official.
BTTT!
Thanks for the bump.
All of this stuff about Joe Wilson's pals Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern needs to be remembered.
The media will never do it. They use both of these traitors as expert sources.
Let not your heart be troubled....
There is indeed something going on here and this thread and the links are proving it. It all goes back to: Why was Wilson, of all people, selected to go to Niger? The Media and the Dims are the willing tools of a CIA group attempting a coup. They are all concentrating on Plame and her low life husband, missing the big story.
Obviously, NOT the CIA.
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