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50,000 Iraqi insurgents dead, caught
The Washington TImes ^ | July 26, 2005 | Sharon Behn

Posted on 07/26/2005 6:29:25 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents in the past seven months, a former top general who has headed repeated Pentagon assessment missions to Iraq said yesterday. Gen. Jack Keane, a former deputy chief of staff for the Army, also said the United States has a good picture of the leadership of the vicious insurgency but less of an idea about its mid- and lower-level ranks.

"We know who they are," he told a lunch gathering sponsored by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He said the eight to 10 leaders "occasionally meet -- we've recorded that -- not just in Iraq, but in Jordan and Syria." Gen. Keane's remarks provided a rare insight into the extent of U.S.-led operations against an insurgency that has been responsible for hundreds of deaths in the past few weeks alone.

Pentagon officials previously had been quoted as saying 15,000 to 16,000 Iraqis were in custody in Iraq, but spokesman Lawrence DiRita was unable to comment last night on the 50,000 figure offered by the general. "I would highly doubt that anyone has a good handle on the numbers," he said. "I'm not aware of what General Keane has been told, but I know of no number that has been provided to the secretary, briefed by the commanders, or is being tracked by anyone."

Gen. Keane, noting that the numbers probably were higher now, said, "In the past six to seven months, we have killed or captured 50,000 insurgents."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemy; insurgents; iraq; killed; oif; terrorists; wot

1 posted on 07/26/2005 6:29:26 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Personally I prefer the number not be publicized, else Mooolah Durbin and crazy Spector will demand human rights violation hearings.
2 posted on 07/26/2005 6:31:06 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Personally I prefer the number not be publicized, else Mooolah Durbin and crazy Spector will demand human rights violation hearings.

Well the American Public will like to hear progress in what's happening in Iraq.

3 posted on 07/26/2005 6:32:45 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

If they could also capture an equal amount of paramilitary gang members within our own borders, on our soil, terrorizing the city of Los Angeles, for example (about 50,000) then we might be really getting somewhere as a nation.


4 posted on 07/26/2005 6:33:25 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yes they would like to hear, unfortunately the liberal lunatic media will not sound the call as is, it will be perverted, distorted, and flooded with deception about what is really going on.


5 posted on 07/26/2005 6:34:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Yes they would like to hear, unfortunately the liberal lunatic media will not sound the call as is, it will be perverted, distorted, and flooded with deception about what is really going on.

Good point there. There will be an "investigation" on whether American GIs slaughtered a town full of women and children.

6 posted on 07/26/2005 6:36:52 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If they could also capture an equal amount of paramilitary gang members within our own borders, on our soil, terrorizing the city of Los Angeles, for example (about 50,000) then we might be really getting somewhere as a nation.

That's why we are waiting for the next BIG one that will permanently split California off from the rest of America.

7 posted on 07/26/2005 6:37:37 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Just mythoughts

What if the people in Durban's state sent him this news item and noted that he was abetting the war criminals in Iraq, the Insurgents.

This report shown below from Amnesty Internation is incredible. It should be used by our side to warn the pro Jihadist leftwingers in America, they are aiding and abetting war criminals with their words and actions. Maybe someday they will be sent to Iraq for war crimes against the innocent Iraqi civilians.:

Iraqi insurgents 'war criminals'

Iraqi insurgents are committing war crimes that undermine any claim they may have to be fighting a legitimate cause, Amnesty International says.

A report by the UK-based group accuses anti-US forces in Iraq of showing "utter disdain for civilian life".

It says there can be no justification for deliberate killings of civilians, hostage-taking and torture.

The perpetrators "place themselves totally beyond the pale of acceptable behaviour", Amnesty International said.

"There is no honour nor heroism in blowing up people going to pray or murdering a terrified hostage," the 56-page report entitled Iraq, In Cold Blood: Abuses by Armed Groups says.

"Those carrying out such acts are criminals, nothing less, whose actions undermine any claim they may have to be pursuing a legitimate cause."

Multiple abuses

Amnesty acknowledges that many Iraqi citizens agree with the aims of the insurgency, to rid their country of the US-led military presence.


The principal victims are ordinary Iraqi men, women and children attempting peacefully to go about their everyday lives.

Iraq, In Cold Blood

It also stresses that the US and allies have themselves committed grave violations, including killings of civilians and torture of prisoners. "But abuses committed by one side do not and cannot justify abuses by another," the rights group says."

"This is all the more the case when the principal victims are ordinary Iraqi men, women and children attempting peacefully to go about their everyday lives."

Researchers quote an Iraqi government minister's claim that more than 6,000 civilians have died in insurgency attacks, although the report says the true toll is impossible to calculate, let alone the long-term consequences.

"We urge armed groups to immediately cease all attacks against civilians and all other abuses," Amnesty says.

"Armed groups, like other parties to the conflict in Iraq, are required to comply strictly with international law in all their acts and remain accountable for their actions."

Amnesty International asks religious leaders and other influential figures to make a stand against war crimes and crimes against humanity.

"We earnestly hope that these leaders, by speaking out publicly or through other more discreet means, can help to make the difference," Amnesty says.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/4714601.stm

Published: 2005/07/25 13:34:53 GMT

© BBC MMV


8 posted on 07/26/2005 6:40:10 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents...
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Good start.


9 posted on 07/26/2005 6:43:38 AM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: Grampa Dave
"What if the people in Durban's state sent him this news item and noted that he was abetting the war criminals in Iraq, the Insurgents. "


Unfortunately "political" speech is the most protected right 'left' in America if one is a liberal. Durbin is either one very stupid human being or just as evil as the terrorists killers who would lop off his head given the opportunity.
10 posted on 07/26/2005 6:51:17 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MinorityRepublican

Six months ago they were saying there were only 20,000 insurgents in the country, now they're saying we've captured or killed more than twice that many. If the original figure had been correct, the insurgency would now be over.


11 posted on 07/26/2005 6:53:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: MinorityRepublican
 

 

 
Those numbers are much better than I thought.  I hope they are true or maybe a bit low!

 

12 posted on 07/26/2005 6:54:26 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results is the definition of insanity.)
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To: Just mythoughts

If one can connect some dots between the $oreA$$ phoney non profits and $'s to these libs abetting the war criminal insurgents in Iraq. Things might get very messy for these abettors like Durbin.


13 posted on 07/26/2005 7:04:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Got any ideas how to accomplish this???? Either this is war or a reenactment of the Korean War.


14 posted on 07/26/2005 7:10:16 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MinorityRepublican

I worked for both Keane and Killebrew. I'll go with Bob's assessment.


15 posted on 07/26/2005 7:10:27 AM PDT by MadJack
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To: MadJack

Body Counts don't count. Time to up the pressure on Syria and Iran.


16 posted on 07/26/2005 7:12:08 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: Just mythoughts

We don't have to declare war.

The Iraqis themselves in a year or so can declare these abettors as war criminals and ask for the various countries to arrest them and send them to Iraq.


17 posted on 07/26/2005 7:12:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Grampa Dave

"The Iraqis themselves in a year or so can declare these abettors as war criminals and ask for the various countries to arrest them and send them to Iraq."


That appears to be the thinking of these that seek to prevent the Iraqis from becoming a civilized place. So long as these terrorists killers, political counterparts (our liberals) continue sounding the clarion call to join the war, it may well take a whole lot longer than a year for the Iraqis to govern.


18 posted on 07/26/2005 7:16:58 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is the liberal definition of "losing the war."


19 posted on 07/26/2005 7:21:34 AM PDT by Jeff Blogworthy
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To: Just mythoughts

"That appears to be the thinking of these that seek to prevent the Iraqis from becoming a civilized place. So long as these terrorists killers, political counterparts (our liberals) continue sounding the clarion call to join the war, it may well take a whole lot longer than a year for the Iraqis to govern."

You nailed that.

However, if the Iraqis continue to get things in order and produce and sell a lot of oil, they can form their justice groups to investigate linkage of the war criminals to foriegners. Then they can replicate what Israel did with the Nazi Supporters and War Criminals did. They can hunt them down and arrest them around the world for trial as war criminals.


20 posted on 07/26/2005 7:22:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Dog

fyi


21 posted on 07/26/2005 7:24:36 AM PDT by eureka! ([under construction])
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To: Grampa Dave
"However, if the Iraqis continue to get things in order and produce and sell a lot of oil, they can form their justice groups to investigate linkage of the war criminals to foriegners. Then they can replicate what Israel did with the Nazi Supporters and War Criminals did. They can hunt them down and arrest them around the world for trial as war criminals."


I do so hope you are correct, and would be interesting "if" the Iraqis determine that some of our liberals politicians are responsible for the recruitment of insurgents the world over.
22 posted on 07/26/2005 7:25:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

"I do so hope you are correct, and would be interesting "if" the Iraqis determine that some of our liberals politicians are responsible for the recruitment of insurgents the world over."

The Iraqis would have a great data base to start their investigations right here on Free Republic.


23 posted on 07/26/2005 7:27:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Grampa Dave

That is a great idea, FR to establish justice.


24 posted on 07/26/2005 7:29:23 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Which is just another reason for us where it is legally to post entire articles, op eds and emails from the dark side.

Then that data will be there in the future if sane people start to connect the dots.


25 posted on 07/26/2005 7:33:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Just mythoughts
I would love to see Doofus Durbin, Ted the Drunk, Traitor John, Traitor Jane and other US leftists standing in chains before the war crimes tribunal in Baghdad. What a glorious fantasy!

BTW, I see that Traitor Jane is embarking on a bus tour. It would be great if her bus would be greeted with a barrage of rotten eggs and tomatoes in every town she visited.

26 posted on 07/26/2005 7:35:41 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Must be one heck of large prison facility....

???? Sure about the figures?

27 posted on 07/26/2005 7:36:42 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: MinorityRepublican
True or not, this quote likely will be used to support claims the US is out to wipe out all muslims by the arab press. That's not to say we should cater to the arab press, but we should keep an eye to what they may grab onto for propaganda purposes and do our best to minimize their honest material...that way they have only their lies.
28 posted on 07/26/2005 7:38:04 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: RightWingConspirator

"I would love to see Doofus Durbin, Ted the Drunk, Traitor John, Traitor Jane and other US leftists standing in chains before the war crimes tribunal in Baghdad. What a glorious fantasy!
BTW, I see that Traitor Jane is embarking on a bus tour. It would be great if her bus would be greeted with a barrage of rotten eggs and tomatoes in every town she visited."

So long as we send them via "Gitmo" for a couple of years.

We do get a glimpse of what Jane's religion is based upon.


29 posted on 07/26/2005 7:58:54 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MinorityRepublican; Allegra

Iraq is NOT a quagmire BUMP!!!!


30 posted on 07/26/2005 8:01:21 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Grampa Dave
What if the people in Durban's state sent him this news item and noted that he was abetting the war criminals in Iraq, the Insurgents.

Why just the people in mullahTurbanDurbin's state. The words "United States SINator" appear before his name. He may be elected in Illinois, but when he speaks from the Senate floor, he represents ALL Americans.

Send him this article, send him the stories about the sudden rise of violence in Afghanistan immediately following his remarks that claimed 16 of our Navy Seals. Write across them that he, mullahTurban, has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS and he must resign!

Of course, he could care less, but at least we can try to do something rather than sit here and call him names. (not that I don't enjoy it)

31 posted on 07/26/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: Justanobody

You are right.

However, only Illinois people can vote him out of office.

If he gets swapped by mailings from them, he might wake up a little.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 8:20:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: RightWingConspirator

"I would love to see Doofus Durbin, Ted the Drunk, Traitor John, Traitor Jane and other US leftists standing in chains before the war crimes tribunal in Baghdad. What a glorious fantasy!"

Israel set this precedent when it hunted down Nazi War Criminals and those who supported the Nazis in their war crimes. In a couple of years the Iraqis will have a lot oil money to enable these tribunals.


33 posted on 07/26/2005 8:23:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh - I don't want him voted out. I want him to RESIGN NOW!!

If he was flooded with this type of mail, then some one, some where, would have to take notice.

If the pubs in the Senate had any b....guts, this pow (piece of work) would have been censured, forced to step down from his "leadership" role then forced to resign or be expelled.

34 posted on 07/26/2005 8:27:02 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: Justanobody

The problem is that with the exception of Joe Lieberman and possibly some Democrat Senators from Red States facing reelection in 2006, the party agrees with what Durbin did


35 posted on 07/26/2005 8:46:32 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: pointsal
Yes. Fairly sure of that figure.

I am sure it is down a bit since the peak, which was 1995, when uniform crime statistics and estimates for Los Angeles County alone had approximately 150,000 gang members active in some 1,500 different gangs throughout the County. Los Angeles county has gangs in about 38 municipalities.

36 posted on 07/26/2005 9:02:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Okay, as disgusting as your statement is, what about the supposed "Republicans" not screaming about it?

Here is an excerpt from an e-mail I received from Senator Allen in response to my plea for him/them/the majority to do something regarding mullahTurban:

I believe Senator Durbin has begun to see the error of his previous comments by attempting to apologize for his absurd, deplorable analogy.

Now if that is not a waste of my time, energy, tax dollars and peace of mind, I don't know what is.

37 posted on 07/26/2005 9:43:52 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

LSM headline "Over 50,000 civilians killed or arrested in Iraq by US"


38 posted on 07/26/2005 10:03:14 AM PDT by retiredcpo (2 johns - flushed)
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To: retiredcpo
LSM headline "Over 50,000 civilians killed or arrested in Iraq by US"

I'm so surprised....NOT!

39 posted on 07/26/2005 3:47:25 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

bttt


40 posted on 07/26/2005 4:00:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents in the past seven months, a former top general who has headed repeated Pentagon assessment missions to Iraq said yesterday.

This is encouraging. The more dead or locked up terrorists there are, the better off we ALL are.

41 posted on 07/26/2005 4:54:22 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
This is encouraging. The more dead or locked up terrorists there are, the better off we ALL are.

We need to remind our English friends that. BUMP!

42 posted on 07/26/2005 8:16:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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